[Cloud9]

Smallpoxgirl, I think we are talking past each other. My point was that Americans show little constraint to perceived threats to their existence. Compared to us, the Jews have shown remarkable constraint.

[Plantagenet]

Its always useful, in a discussion like this, to define the terms.

Genocide involves the physical elimination of a people. If genocide is occurring, people in a targetted group will be systemically killed, and the number of people in the targetted people will decrease as they are killed.

In the case of the Palestinians, is a simple fact that their population numbers are rapidly growing. This is inconsistent with the claims of genocide.

"Of the Gaza Strip's population (approximately 1 million), 99.4% are Palestinian Arab..... The population growth rate is around 5.5% with a total fertility rate at 7.74 children born/woman. It is important to note that the Gaza Strip has a considerably high infant mortality rate at 30.6 deaths per 1000 live births. The population is predominantly Muslim (Sunni)"

While the situation between Israel and Palestine is poor, with multiple episodes of terrorist attacks and military reprisals, the rapid population growth in Gaza and on the West Bank clearly proves that no genocide of Palestinians is taking place.

[ALBY]

this thread is going to be a barnburner.

let me add my vote to the no genocide column.

as I recall, the jews in the warsaw ghetto were not offered the opportunity for a two state solution.

what israel is doing in palestine is a lot of things, but genocide is not one of them.

[shakespear1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'United Nations determined the borders')

This is simplifying what happened to the extreme IMHO

Wider reading of history would show that it was done by Britain and US with minimal input from other military powers at that time.

However the above statement would be true in the context of High School history class.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. . . . We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.”

[shakespear1]

This is not my subject of interest as I know from my limit experience in historical debates that they are no win situations. Most of us are not armed with a deep knowledge of history and the CONTEXT of the period when that history was happening. Context I would define as trends, world views, social trends, social beliefs etc.

Example would be the American Eugenics Movement (note that Eugenics was not limited to the US). Throw this into GOOGLE and see what pops up.

Sad story is that back in those old days this was a driving belief that shaped history. Lose this context of history and the events make no sense. Well, will seem clearer IMHO if one IS aware of this.

Thus the context of the everyday thinking is invaluable in understanding how people behaved. This will unlikely be discussed in High School history books or even in d discussions about the historical events.

I am going to throw something here as some food for thought.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'As early as 13 weeks gestational age, the fetus is showing individual behavior and personality traits that continue on after birth (Piontelli, 1992). She observed four sets of twins by ultrasound periodically over the course of the pregnancies. Each set of twins seemed to manifest a unique relationship together: one set was loving, another contentious, and another was passive. One pair consisted of a brother who was active, attentive, and affectionate, and his sister who would passively follow his lead. The boy in this pair kicked and wrestled with the placenta, actively pushing for space and looking disgruntled. However, at times he would reach out to his sister through the membrane separating them, caressing her face or rubbing her feet with his. His sister would reciprocate when he initiated contact.

Piontelli conducted follow-up observation of the four sets of twins through age four. She found that behavior after birth for each child, and in the relationship between each set of twins, continued remarkably unchanged. The twins just mentioned continued to be affectionate with each other. At one year of age they would play together, touch, hug and kiss. The boy was self-starting and independent, and the girl passively followed his lead. The other twin pairs exhibited the same behaviors and relationship postnatally as they had in the womb. What accounts for the individual differences? One factor, of course, is the maternal environment in which each child lives. Another is its own genetic makeup. Could there be other factors that a child brings into the world--predispositions, prior agreements or commitments, or karmic debts? That question remains open for further investigation at another time.
')

More can be found here

Babies and their development

One can also read David Chamberlain to find out how VERY early the environment shapes those little creatures called babies.

Babies grow up to be leaders!!!!

[shakespear1]

A video hosted here

Promises

is well worth watching. It was originally shown on the History Channel.

[FourOfSwords]

Palestinians...'reap what ye sew...'

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'P')alestinians...'reap what ye sew...'

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'P')alestinians...'reap what ye sew...'

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', '[')code]United Nations determined the borders[/code]

This is simplifying what happened to the extreme IMHO

Wider reading of history would show that it was done by Britain and US with minimal input from other military powers at that time.

However the above statement would be true in the context of High School history class.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')srael doesn't nuke the Palestinians for a number of reasons, most prominently that they want the Palestinian land and in fact have settlements throughout the Palestinian territory.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')

I'm still waiting for your assistance over on the Bigfoot thread.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he question asked was why Israel doesn't nuke Palestine. The answer is quite obviously that they would end up nuking themselves.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he question asked was why Israel doesn't nuke Palestine. The answer is quite obviously that they would end up nuking themselves.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')srael doesn't even use rocket barrages to target the civilian population in Palestine,

[I_Like_Plants]

yeah, grandmothers are "terrorists" and school children are "enemy combatants" all for the glory of the Super Race, the Jews.

I really want to live to see Israel wiped off of the map. I think there's a very good chance of it happening, if the US can be defeated either militarily or economically or a combination of both. Then the parasite loses the support of the host, and is left to fight on its own. Parasites don't fight well.

Most of the rest of the world is much, much more awake to the Jewish problem than the brainwashed masses in the US.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Israel always plays the damsel falling backwards on the fainting bench, after being offended by savages. What crap.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'y')eah, grandmothers are "terrorists" and school children are "enemy combatants" all for the glory of the Super Race, the Jews.

I really want to live to see Israel wiped off of the map. I think there's a very good chance of it happening, if the US can be defeated either militarily or economically or a combination of both. Then the parasite loses the support of the host, and is left to fight on its own. Parasites don't fight well.

Most of the rest of the world is much, much more awake to the Jewish problem than the brainwashed masses in the US.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Israel always plays the damsel falling backwards on the fainting bench, after being offended by savages. What crap.