[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'Y')eah sure Tyler - and the bombs that wiped out all Gaza's infrastructure two year ago were egyptian bombs.

And the bulldozers that raised palestinian homes were egyptian bulldozers.

And the national policy to take palestinian land (supported by Jews and Neo Cons in USA) is an egyptian policy.

Can you ever post something that is based in fact Tyler?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')f Israel believes that a wall is necessary to protect its people from a hostile state, then they have every right to build the wall.

[BigTex]

I'm pretty sure that it's not that the Arab world loves the Palestinians, they just hate the Jews.

I think the whole Muslim solidarity thing is just a pretext. When and if an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians is reached and a border is drawn, I don't expect to see an enormous amount of money for economic development rolling into the new Palestinian state from the rest of the Middle East. I suspect that the lion's share of any eventual Palestinian economic development money will come from the U.S. after we borrow it from China and Japan.

[threadbear]

Israel, as the U.S is governed by people who are essentially organized thugs/criminals, who have access to the best public relations machinery on the planet. The central religious issue, is worship of money, and the criminals in charge are just making too damned much money through war profiteering to sincerely engage in authentic peace talks.

[billg]

Israel is a water hog....

Water in Palestine
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/water.html

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'P')alestine isn't a separate state. It is part of Israel.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k, so we have 3 jews so far who voted NO-- you, nwmossback, who else? Zardoz are you there?

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '.')..so if you, as some other jews here, will claim that you are not jewish, in the future prepare yourself a bit better....

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '.')..so if you, as some other jews here, will claim that you are not jewish, in the future prepare yourself a bit better....

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'P')alestine isn't a separate state. It is part of Israel.

[NWMossBack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')f it's under occupation, it's part of Israel.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 's') chosen people.

But you know how that stuff goes down, pretty soon the Mormons and the Jews would be fighting and Salt Lake City would be the new West Bank and renegade Mormons would be firing rockets into Utah from Idaho.

[Cloud9]

If the Jews are Nazis, why don't they just nuke Palistine and wipe it off the map? That's what Hitler would do. Clearly Hitler did not give a rat's butt about world opinion or about the loss of life.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')f it's under occupation, it's part of Israel.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f the Jews are Nazis, why don't they just nuke Palistine and wipe it off the map?

[Tyler_JC]

Personally, I'm willing to invite the entire state of Israel to come join us in America.

We have tons of excess houses for them to buy.

The Jews can sell their land to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, or whoever-the-hell-wants-it.

Then there is no Jewish conspiracy to support Israel because Israel ceases to exist. They become just like any other religious group in the US. They would be free to live as they please, practice their religion in peace, and their standard of living would improve dramatically. Moreover, their risk of being killed by terrorists would fall rather dramatically.

Alternatively, they can build a new Israel wherever they want in the US. Heck, they can even carve out a chunk of Montana and get their state complete with senators/congressmen to represent them.

It's only a diaspora if they lose their culture. But in the US, you don't need to sacrifice your culture to blend in. I mean, look at LA. Have the Mexican immigrants sacrificed a single sombrero or taqueria?

Back in the 1930s there was a bill in the US congress to allow Jewish refugees in Alaska. Sadly the bill failed and millions were needless slaughtered by the Nazis. Wouldn't the world have been better off with a Jewish Alaska rather than a Holocaust?

I'm just rambling but you get the generally idea of where I'm going. Israel's position is not sustainable. Too many hostile neighbors and too few Israelis. The only way to protect their cultural identity in the long term is to leave their "homeland".

[Cloud9]

Smallpoxgirl, I conceed the point on Hiltler's concern for public opinion. While he was weak and coming to power he was adept at concealing his manuverings from the public, but then again there was Mien Kamph that spelled out his plan for any who cared to read. The bars of soap, the showers, those were masterful forms of crowd control.

What we see over here in the media are suicide bombers, little children wrapped up in belts of high explosives, palestenian mothers glorifying the deaths of ther sons who have just blown themselves to pieces.

That mindset is alien to us. Privately we feel the Jews have shown consdirable restraint. Americans do not have a good track record of showing restraint in dealing with with perceived terrorist.

Check out the Sand Creek Massacre. God forbid that we should ever come to view the Palistinians as a threat to our existence.

http://www.coloradovacation.com/history ... sacre.html

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ersonally, I'm willing to invite the entire state of Israel to come join us in America.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')hat we see over here in the media are suicide bombers, little children wrapped up in belts of high explosives, palestenian mothers glorifying the deaths of ther sons who have just blown themselves to pieces.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')srael doesn't nuke the Palestinians for a number of reasons, most prominently that they want the Palestinian land and in fact have settlements throughout the Palestinian territory.