[Piedro]

(This is a Post that I posted in the Forum of the OUR PLANET Site in MySpace (See the end of my Top Friends) :

www.myspace.com/ecovision

Hi Friends! :D

Not as You could think, I'm enough hopeful about the PO (Peak Oil) issue - The reason for this is that it exist now a body of knoledge and practice developed by the Green Movement since 30 years that aim to a more sustainable, just and compasive world society.

I refer to the movement of PERMACULTURE <www.permaculturevisions.com>, whose principal aim is to build and develop Sustainable Human Setlements of a size compatible with the natural resources necessary for to nourish them.

I'm also speaking of the Ecovillage Movement <www.ecovillage.org> and there is also a Green Movement dedicated to the transformation of today Big Cities in Sustainable Cities (I'm something in dude that it can be doe).

I think that in the medium and large term society must be descentralized, in Ecovillages, Towns and Medium Scale Cities, all surround by Green Belts that permit the Self-Sufficiency in Food - About Energy, I think that already exist technologies that can use the Renovable Energies of Sun, Wind, Water, Geotermal, Waves and Tides.

But I think that these technologies are more amenable for a descentralized society.

Well! - It seam that we are in the beginig of the Post-Oil Society and that is at sight the end of the Oil Age (Oil is anon renovable resource like Natural Gas, Coal and Uranium, that have also their days counted ... ).

But I see and have HOPE that we can do a transition to a more bening way of life, and one that can be more happy and whole.

Cheers and Hugs from Your Friend,

+Piedro
(From CHILE, Southamerica)

www.myspace.com/ecovision

[peasea]

apart from these guys can't spell , They haven't noticed there isn't enough land for 6 billion ,

perhaps they intend to terraform Venus and Mars .........

I certainly remember the Greens stating that Britain can support 30 million and not the current 60 million +

gave no idea on what to do with the useless half.......

( appologies for my own spelling mistakes!)

P.

[Piedro]

............. There are Green Writers that think that the optimum sustainable population on Earth is 2000 Millions ... and that there may be a reduction in population ... voluntary or not.

1/3 of the Planet is Desert and grow ... I think WE must to begin with energy and soon the positive Re-Greening of the Planet and stop population growth.

"Good Planets are hard to find;
let's care for the one we have".

[Piedro]

..... BTW I'm studying a Book of Bill Mollison named "Permaculture: A Designers' Manual", where is a chapter on the problems of Land Possesion and where he propose the solution of the Land Trusts ......

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Piedro', '
')I think WE must to begin with energy and soon the positive Re-Greening of the Planet and stop population growth.

[Iaato]

Hey, Piedro, welcome. Kudos to you for studying permaculture. But be careful of the green label. Right now it is often being used as a front for more consumption.



2007 Green Car of the Year

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Piedro', '.')............ There are Green Writers that think that the optimum sustainable population on Earth is 2000 Millions ... and that there may be a reduction in population ... voluntary or not.

[Piedro]

My opinion and that of others is that Organic Farming can Feed the World - But obviously there are limits to the Carriying Capacity of the Earth ... I think that a Re-Greened Earth can suport a lot of people, but now there are something of 1000 Million people Hungry and 1000 Million people Obese ... And 1/3 of the Planet converted in Desert ...

But there are Permaculture techniques to reclaim the Deserts and for to Re-Inhabit sustainably the Earth ...

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')Do you hear what you're saying? Now in the name of "environmental sustainability" people are advocating the genocide of 4B people.

Wake up!

[Alcassin]

Hmm...

Our future challenge is terraforming planet Earth.

[Piedro]

Hi! :D

I think that 'POAlex' responded to the involuntary ambiguity of the final expresion of the sentence:

"... voluntary; or not".

It seem to me that it can be interpreted that way ("Genocide!"), but was not my intention - I was thinking in the Overshut and Die Off of populations diying involuntary of hunger and illness when they exced the Carrying Capacity of an Ecosystem.

My opinion on the sustainable population number is that now we must stop growing for growing, begin the restoration of Nature and search for a balance between Human and Nature necesities.

"Nature can live without us. We can not live without Nature".

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'H')ey, Piedro, welcome. Kudos to you for studying permaculture. But be careful of the green label. Right now it is often being used as a front for more consumption.

[Piedro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'H')ey, Piedro, welcome. Kudos to you for studying permaculture. But be careful of the green label. Right now it is often being used as a front for more consumption.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Piedro', '.')..
But there are Permaculture techniques to reclaim the Deserts and for to Re-Inhabit sustainably the Earth ...

[Piedro]

I have seen some of they described in the Bill Mollison's book "Permaculture: A Designers' Manual" and J. Sholto Douglas & Robert Hart's book "Forest Farming".

Also some described here (I must confess that I haven't going more beyond "Urban Permaculture" for the moment):

"Bill Mollison's Permaculture series on growing in different climate
zones, Drylands, Cool Climates, The Tropics and Urban, has been posted
on YouTube.

This link goes to "Urban", since that's my particular interest, and
shows examples from the US (incl New York), India, Africa and
Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdDZE9aGbo0

The rest can be found by searching "Global Gardener".

+Piedro

www.myspace.com/ecovision

[JPL]

The first challenge for a post-oil world (IMHO) is no so much adapting the planet, it is more adapting people.

To give an analogy, out biological 'limits to growth' are Shit Creek, industrial society is the canoe, society & social norms are the paddle.

We have options. But first we need to stop paddleing forwards...

JP

[Piedro]

Hi Friends! :D

Not as You could think, I'm enough hopeful about the PO (Peak Oil) issue - The reason for this is that it exist now a body of knoledge and practice developed by the Green Movement since 30 years that aim to a more sustainable, just and compasive world society.

I refer to the movement of PERMACULTURE <www.permaculturevisions.com>, whose principal aim is to build and develop Sustainable Human Setlements of a <myspace>size</myspace> compatible with the natural resources necessary for to nourish them.

I'm also speaking of the Ecovillage Movement <www.ecovillage.org> and there is also a Green Movement dedicated to the transformation of today Big Cities in Sustainable Cities (I'm something in dude that it can be done).

I think that in the medium and large term society must be descentralized, in Ecovillages, Towns and Medium Scale Cities, all surround by Green Belts that permit the Self-Sufficiency in Food, and for this it is important that also there must be growing of Food inside the Cities.

About Energy, I think that already exist technologies that can use the Renovable Energies of Sun, Wind, Water, Geotermal, Waves and Tides.

But I think that these technologies (more low in power that Oil) are more amenable for a descentralized society.

Well! - It seam that we are in the beginig of the Post-Oil Society and that is at sight the end of the Oil Age (Oil is anon renovable resource like Natural Gas, Coal and Uranium, that have also their days counted ... ).

But I see and have HOPE that still we are in time of to do a transition to a more bening way of life, and one that can be more happy and whole.

Are You with me?

Cheers and Hugs from Your Friend,

+Piedro
(From CHILE, Southamerica)

www.myspace.com/ecovision

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Piedro', '.')..
But there are Permaculture techniques to reclaim the Deserts and for to Re-Inhabit sustainably the Earth ...