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Re: Citigroup Warns of 60 Pct. Earnings Drop

Unread postby strider3700 » Wed 03 Oct 2007, 03:20:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')s the Mr. ____ Prince of Citibank any relation to Erik Prince who owns the Blackwater mercenarys?


Charles O. "Chuck" Prince, III is the president/CEO of city group and was born in 1950.

Erik Prince had a father named Edgar Prince who owned an automobile parts company called Prince Corporation. After the death of the dad Erik's mother sold the company for 1.3 billion. Edgar Prince's claim to fame besides being a billionaire was he developed the lighted vanity mirror. Now who else feels stupid for not becoming rich beyond belief with a simple idea.

Anyways Edgar seems to have been a self made man and was born in 1931

Erik was born in 1970. He's a major republican supporter and has been for awhile now. His sister is Betsy DeVos, a former chairman of the Republican Party of Michigan. So they are well connected these days. Of course hundreds of millions of dollars automatically makes you connected to anything you want to be.

If you check where they where born and the dates they are quite distant apart. If the two are related It's a few generations back.
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Re: Citigroup Warns of 60 Pct. Earnings Drop

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 11:20:07

Citigroup Shares Fall to Four-Year Low After Analyst Downgrades
Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc., the largest U.S. bank, fell to the lowest in four years in New York trading after a CIBC World Markets analyst downgraded the stock and said the bank may cut its dividend or sell assets to shore up capital.
Citigroup was lowered to ``sector underperform'' from ``sector perform'' by analyst Meredith Whitney, in a note to clients dated Oct. 31. CIBC also reduced its rating on Bank of America Corp., the second-biggest U.S. bank by assets, to ``sector perform'' from ``sector outperform.''
``The stock will be under significant pressure and could trade into the low $30s,'' Whitney wrote. ...
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U.S. Stocks Decline; Citigroup Retreats on Dividend Concern
Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks indexes fell the most in two weeks after investors speculated Citigroup Inc. will cut its dividend and Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's biggest oil company, reported earnings that missed analysts' estimates.
Citigroup, the second-biggest U.S. bank, posted its steepest drop in five years after CIBC World Markets said it must preserve capital after earnings fell to the lowest level since 2004. Exxon slipped after posting a second straight retreat in quarterly profit for the first time in five years. ...
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Re: Citigroup Warns of 60 Pct. Earnings Drop

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 08:13:35

"sector underperform"?!?

More like "sector... Oh ****..."

"sector underperform" - my vote for understatement of the century.
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Re: Citigroup Warns of 60 Pct. Earnings Drop

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 08:28:40

"lowest levels since 2004"

This translates to "lowest levels since the last time it was business as usual", correct?

I mean, the oil companies (and banks) made an absolute killing in 2005 and continued the slaughter in 2006, so in 2007 their profits drop to more normal levels, and Wall Street sees this as a reason to downgrade based on performance?

Sounds screwed up to me, am I missing something?
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Citigroup is BK and Chuckie gets fired...

Unread postby roccman » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 11:28:06

The only corporation in the world that commands ONE LETTER as their logo is defaulting. So why do you continue to pay your debts back? Mish
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rince's retirement solves nothing actually. And of all the issues at Citigroup, capital levels is the most critical one. With capital concerns come side issues such as a Question of Solvency at Citigroup.

Let's play American Pie in honor of Chuck Prince.

We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')otice today's selloff in Bank of America (BAC) Citigroup (C), Countrywide (CFC), JP Morgan Chase (JPM), Washington Mutual (WM), Corus Bank (CORS), Bank United (BKUNA), etc. This selloff is not over a possible dividend cut at Citigroup, profit taking, diminished odds of further rate cuts or any other thing the talking heads might be saying.

Solvency is the issue here, and I am not just talking about Citigroup. I am talking about solvency of the system itself. Rate cuts fueled this mess. Rates cuts cannot be the answer.
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Re: Citigroup is BK and Chuckie gets fired...

Unread postby dukey » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 12:25:52

i love good news
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Re: Citigroup is BK and Chuckie gets fired...

Unread postby roccman » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 14:47:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'i') love good news


Yes - good news is good.

Time for a reboot.
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Re: Citigroup is BK and Chuckie gets fired...

Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 15:18:05

Rate cuts only delay the inevitable.
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Re: Citigroup is BK and Chuckie gets fired...

Unread postby roccman » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 22:21:05

http://www.cnbc.com/id/21601044

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')itigroup faces a write-down in the range of $6 billion to $10 billion, mainly because of exposure to subprime mortgages and collateralized debt obligations, CNBC has learned.


Citi Chief Executive Officer Charles Prince has already offered to resign from his post, according to a person familiar with the situation, and the financial services company's board is expected to accept his resignation at an emergency meeting scheduled for Sunday.


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Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby roccman » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 10:00:17

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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby patience » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 10:26:58

Yeah! and some Saudi prince dumped a wad of cash into them, along with a Singapore (?) bank, to prop 'em up.

My wife just dumped a 401k from Putnam investments. Their check was on Citibank, which I deposited yesterday. The said it will be a few days before the check clears...... I'm gonna sweat bullets until it does. This is too much pucker factor for me.

GMA reported Citi will lay off 4,000, but other rumors have been all over the place. They are taking a big writedown, also reported from $12 bil to $24 bil in variious sources. The daytrader forums seem to agree that Citi is toast. BTW, somebody on Tickerforum sounds a lot like you??
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby IslandCrow » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 10:44:46

$itigroup is the only bank I have received personalised junk mail from offering me a loan without my requesting information or being in an existing business relationship. [Warning to marketing departments: I hate this sort of junk mail]

It seems that they have been desperate for people to take loans that they have had to trawl to the edge of nowhere looking for business.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby roccman » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 10:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', ' ') BTW, somebody on Tickerforum sounds a lot like you??


Nope got banned after I told the site owner (KD/Genesis) that his veggie VW was not going to save him from the effects of PO.

He also seems to think ameika has enough oil for our own internal consumption and that "lefties" should be pulled out in the street and shot for not allowing ANWR to be drilled.

He has been dead wrong about gold and oil.

4 months ago he was well into the hyper inflation pond and has since made the journey to deflation.

He has been right about the markets, but how hard is that? We here at PO have known about the housing crash and economic ramifications of PO for years.

PO will be defined by the collapse of global economies.

THAT is a no brainer.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:09:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', '$')itigroup is the only bank I have received personalised junk mail from offering me a loan without my requesting information or being in an existing business relationship. [Warning to marketing departments: I hate this sort of junk mail]

It seems that they have been desperate for people to take loans that they have had to trawl to the edge of nowhere looking for business.


Same here. No wonder CITI is circling the drain. I ripped off their retarded asses.

I had an inactive CITI Mastercard. To entice me to use the card again they sent me an offer of 0.9% financing for 6 months and enclosed blank checks.

So, I wrote myself a check for my full limit of $15000 and slapped it down on my mortgage.

(I paid off the 15000 balance in full after 6 months.)

I earned the spread, totally risk free. Thanks for the free money, CITI :P
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:17:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', '$')itigroup is the only bank I have received personalised junk mail from offering me a loan without my requesting information or being in an existing business relationship. [Warning to marketing departments: I hate this sort of junk mail]

It seems that they have been desperate for people to take loans that they have had to trawl to the edge of nowhere looking for business.


Same here. No wonder CITI is circling the drain. I ripped off their retarded asses.

I had an inactive CITI Mastercard. To entice me to use the card again they sent me an offer of 0.9% financing for 6 months and enclosed blank checks.

So, I wrote myself a check for my full limit of $15000 and slapped it down on my mortgage.

(I paid off the 15000 balance in full after 6 months.)

I earned the spread, totally risk free. Thanks for the free money, CITI :P


It's banks that are (part of) the cause of the high inflation. So they didn't give you free money; they just ripped you off less than normal.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby patience » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:23:27

Roccman, yeah, I noticed the shift in thinking there! Kinda funny. Well, lurking there, I did figure out that the time for paper investments had passed for me and dumped all that, not knowing enough to play the game.

Looks to me like the woes of Citi and the rest of the finance thing are going to impact the economy first, then be made worse by falling oil supplies. What's your take on it?
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby roccman » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:49:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'R')occman, yeah, I noticed the shift in thinking there! Kinda funny. Well, lurking there, I did figure out that the time for paper investments had passed for me and dumped all that, not knowing enough to play the game.

Looks to me like the woes of Citi and the rest of the finance thing are going to impact the economy first, then be made worse by falling oil supplies. What's your take on it?


I get some of my best financial news from safehaven - the posters are PO aware and factor in PO in their thinking.

http://www.safehaven.com/forum-1.htm

Bud Conrad at Casey Research has been spot on with stagflation, oil, rate cuts, the dollar, and gold:

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayEditorBio.php?id=31

Bud also posts on Bill Tamblyn's yahoo group that is, bar none, the best tech group on the web WRT PO/Geopolitics.

What do I think...??

All banks will fail...will be consolidated (read nationalized) under one - I think JP Morgan - and oil will soar to $1000.

But then again - I could be full of shit.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 12:33:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e also seems to think ameika has enough oil for our own internal consumption and that "lefties" should be pulled out in the street and shot for not allowing ANWR to be drilled.


I get that spew from hard-core right wingers all the time.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby Iaato » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 13:23:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'N')ope got banned after I told the site owner (KD/Genesis) that his veggie VW was not going to save him from the effects of PO.

He also seems to think ameika has enough oil for our own internal consumption and that "lefties" should be pulled out in the street and shot for not allowing ANWR to be drilled.

He has been dead wrong about gold and oil.


It's interesting to watch the dynamics of different types of boards in response to management styles. Market Ticker has the omniscient father figure type of management, which results in group think which spirals off into errors pretty quickly. I post some at The Motley Fool; I owe some allegiance 'cause that's where I learned about investing. But their peer system of recommendations also leads to group think. It turns into a popularity contest where ideas have a hard time standing up on their own. It's still a useful place to take the temperature of the savvier, more responsible end of the investing world.

I've got to give Aaron kudos, again, for allowing the free speech here. The freewheeling format allows me to say what I want to here, without restrictions. It's the only place I can come to work things through without having the thought police come down on me.

Slightly off topic, sorry Rocc. The fear is growing in the financial sector, and group think is going to be an issue.
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Re: Citigroup: Worst Earnings in 196 Years

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:46:33

It's going to be really fun watching Citi go down.

They took $8k of debt I had with them, pumped it up to $12k, then are telling me they'll settle for $6k. Sorry guys, go fish. I don't' have it. Never will. Too bad.

The actual most revenge I can have against the Beast is to make as little as I need to get by (30 hours a week @ minimum wage, or the equivalent wages, are safe from garnishment, make any more than that and the additional will get garnished, I can live within the nongarnishable amount) and just watch the banksters go high and dry.
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