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Unread postby Graeme » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 21:21:24

Obama, Huckabee, Clinton, Rockefeller and Romney Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ilverado Green Fuel Inc. is at the forefront of one of the U.S.'s highest priorities in domestic energy supply and security, namely coal-to-liquid fuel.

"The endorsement from most Presidential candidates and key U.S. political figures, and the recent (Dec/07) U.S. Energy Bill's $2.2 billion in tax incentives for clean coal technology applications are sure signs that Silverado is in the right place, and at the right time," states Garry Anselmo, Silverado's President and CEO. "Silverado Green Fuel uses low rank coal. America has centuries of domestic supply of low rank coal, an underutilized energy resource." The company has a proven process to produce green fuel, equivalent to crude oil, but commercially created without any CO(2) or harmful environmental emissions in the production process. "And at less than one fifth the cost of crude oil," he adds.

Plans are underway for a $26 million Demonstration Plant in a joint venture with the State of Mississippi.

Silverado Green Fuel is commercially produced without releasing any harmful emissions into the air. Initial production costs are estimated at under US$15 per barrel, on an oil equivalent energy basis, compared to current $90 - $100/barrel crude oil prices.

Green Fuel can be used to power oil-fired power plants directly, or be used as a feedstock for further processing to produce transportation fuels (jet, diesel, gasoline), key agricultural compounds (fertilizers, synthetic petrochemical feedstocks, urea), industrial products (oils, lubricants, synthetics) and even consumer products (plastics, packaging, etc.). Silverado Green Fuel can also be further processed to produce pure, clean hydrogen to power fuel cell automobiles and electrical generation (power) plants.


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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 21:31:18

To say I am not surprised would probably be the understatement of the decade.

We will dig it drill it or scoop it all up and burn it as long as we are able. GWG and Climate Change be damned! TPTB have Spoken!
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Bas » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 21:34:39

next best (I should say next worse) option from biofuels...they are either deaf, dumb or know they can't sell the truth.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 21:37:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')e will dig it drill it or scoop it all up and burn it as long as we are able. GWG and Climate Change be damned! TPTB have Spoken!

What do you expect TPTB to say? "You'll all have to bicycle to the polls, but please vote for me anyway?" Like that's gonna happen.
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 23:28:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')hat do you expect TPTB to say? "You'll all have to bicycle to the polls, but please vote for me anyway?" Like that's gonna happen.


It worked for Jimmy Carter in 1980 when he was honest and told us that we had to slow down, turn down the thermostat and wear sweaters and break the stranglehold of middle eastern oil. :-D Oh, wait ... never mind. :wink:
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Bas » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 23:30:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')e will dig it drill it or scoop it all up and burn it as long as we are able. GWG and Climate Change be damned! TPTB have Spoken!

What do you expect TPTB to say? "You'll all have to bicycle to the polls, but please vote for me anyway?" Like that's gonna happen.


hey! I bicycled to the latest national polls here....

:oops:


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Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 01:27:17

Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

You know that always makes me think of desperate Nazi Germany. Coal to liquids works, but it certainly hasn't won any wars. And if we're considering options as nasty as that, we really must be desperate. More on topic, this is scrapping the bottom of the barrel for EROEI and will probably be very difficult to ramp up coal production for this process. But regarding being green if they do succeed in large scale trapping of CO2, well hats off to them for that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')hat do you expect TPTB to say? "You'll all have to bicycle to the polls, but please vote for me anyway?" Like that's gonna happen.
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 09:18:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')e will dig it drill it or scoop it all up and burn it as long as we are able. GWG and Climate Change be damned! TPTB have Spoken!

What do you expect TPTB to say? "You'll all have to bicycle to the polls, but please vote for me anyway?" Like that's gonna happen.


SPG I started out saying I wasn't surprised ;)

This is exactly what I have been expecting to happen, truthfully I expected it in 2006 before that election cycle but I guess TPTB were a little slow to catch on to Peak Oil as a geological reallity.
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 13:02:24

Its 1940s technology that can be fabricated without any great or unique skill sets.

Have a look at what the US, Soviets, Germans and UK did during WWII, in terms of producing, often complex machines in staggering volumes when the chips were down. The UKs frigat and Corvette programs, the Germans uboat's and tanks, the Soviets Sturmoviks or the US's bombers, carriers and battleships.

I dont see any real impediment to various nations implementing crash programs to manufacture huge new industrial facilities. We ar not talking nanotechnology or neural networks here.
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 13:39:33

I though Obama backed off of this idea after flirting with it briefly a few months ago. Is he supporting it again?
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 14:10:57

No doubt they also say they are concerned about global warming.


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Unread postby vampyregirl » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 14:31:46

the gasification process involves heating pulverized coal to yield carbon dioxide and hydrogen gas which form to produce synthetic natural gas or syngas. polluting elements such as sulfur and mercury are filtered out so it can be burned cleanly. it is used in europe to produce electricity and somewhat in china now. the new aim is to produce syndiesel from syngas. combine the two technologies so to speak
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 15:25:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'I')ts 1940s technology that can be fabricated without any great or unique skill sets.

Have a look at what the US, Soviets, Germans and UK did during WWII, in terms of producing, often complex machines in staggering volumes when the chips were down.


If you're talking about CTL restrict yourself to the Nazis, who by the way employed slave labor while they were at it.

Slave Labor at Royal/Dutch She

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')pproximately 1,385 forced laborers worked at oil refineries and petrochemical plants owned and operated by the Royal/Dutch Shell Group during the Second World War. These workers, largely civilians from Eastern Europe and the Low Countries of Western Europe, were compelled to work on the grounds of Shell's German and Austrian subsidiaries, Rhenania GmbH and Shell Austria AG, respectively. At these locations, the forced laborers toiled long hours under the watchful (and often brutal) guard of Hitler's S.S. men. Deported from their home countries by force, these workers were housed in filthy barracks, and were denied freedom of movement and proper nutrition. For their work, which was contracted from the S.S., the laborers received no pay from Shell or the German Government.
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 18 Jan 2008, 02:12:10

Word nears on 'liquid-coal' plant

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t has been more than a decade since John W. Rich Jr. got the idea to build the nation's first plant to convert coal into diesel fuel on a mountaintop in Schuylkill County.

Now, after years of delays, Rich is close to finding out whether he will receive the approvals he needs to jump-start the project. Just a year ago Rich's plans appeared destined for death from a case of fickle government bureaucracy.

By Jan. 31, the U.S. Department of Energy is expected to decide whether to lend Rich $100 million. The money would go a long way toward securing the private financing needed to finally put shovel into ground to build the $1 billion facility on 75 acres that Rich owns in Gilberton, about 100 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

Rich's plant would generate about 60 million gallons of fuel a year, a fraction of the 141 billion gallons of gasoline the United States uses annually.


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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby thuja » Fri 18 Jan 2008, 03:15:10

Lucky for us...Peak Coal

The bastards can't squeeze oil out of a lump of rock for too much longer...
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Re: Presidential Candidates Support Coal-to-Liquid Fuel

Unread postby Graeme » Fri 18 Jan 2008, 04:27:39

Coal is no longer on front burner

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica's headlong rush to tap its enormous coal reserves for electricity has slowed abruptly, with more than 50 proposed coal-fired power plants in 20 states canceled or delayed in 2007 because of concerns about climate change, construction costs and transportation problems.

"We're very close to the edge," said Rick Sergel, who keeps a close eye on the grid as chief executive of the quasi-governmental North American Electric Reliability Corp. "We operate under tight conditions more often than ever. We need action in the next year or two to start on the path to having enough electricity 10 years from now."

In the near term, coal clearly will remain a part of the American energy picture. Even as the postponements and terminations pile up, plans for new coal-fired power plants continue to advance in New Mexico, Mississippi and Indiana.

Although TXU Energy canceled eight coal-fired power plants it had proposed in Texas, the utility is going ahead with three others.

Last month, an energy industry consortium announced plans to build a government-subsidized power plant in southern Illinois to demonstrate low-emissions coal technology. But the ballooning cost of the FutureGen plant -- now projected to be about $1.8 billion, nearly double its original estimated price tag -- has drawn criticism from the Department of Energy, which could delay or kill the project by withholding funds.

"Can coal deliver?" asked Gary Hunt, president of Global Energy Advisors, a Sacramento-based unit of Global Energy Decisions. "The answer is no," he said -- not without "billions and billions" spent on improvements for mining capacity, railroads and shipping.

Overall, the Assn. of American Railroads estimates that $148 billion needs to be invested in freight infrastructure over the next 28 years. The industry says it needs federal assistance to help it cover about $39 billion of that cost.

Coal's advocates say they are still optimistic about the future, because America has 200 years' worth of reserves -- and growing electricity needs. "If you don't want to use coal," asks Janet Gellici, executive director of the American Coal Council, "which 12 hours of the day don't you want electricity?"


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Liquid coal touted as good fuel bet if ethanol fails

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 12 Feb 2008, 17:45:56

Liquid coal touted as good fuel bet if ethanol fails

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')efining coal into liquids is the next logical step should it become clear that corn-based ethanol is not the solution to the transportation fuel problem, the developer of a coal-to-liquids plant said on Tuesday.

"Does it make sense to burn your food supply ... to make what is in our estimation an inferior transportation fuel?" Robert Kelly, chairman of DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC, told a questioner at Cambridge Energy Research Associates' 2008 conference.

"We've got a huge amount of coal here," Kelly said after a breakfast presentation, noting U.S. coal reserves are among the world's largest. "It is a huge fuel source for the next 50 years if we do it responsibly."


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