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Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby cat » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 12:42:37

An article out of the NY Times is suggesting that consumer spending is on the decline, for all income levels. This quote brings me back to Kunstlers predictions:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he big exception is gasoline. American Express and the Consumer Federation of America say that consumers are buying just as many gallons as ever, but paying more for them, and that has forced cutbacks in other purchases. Gasoline prices usually drop after the summer driving season, but this year they shot up, from $2.85 a gallon on average in September to $3.07 in December and $3.15 in the first week of January.

A similar trend is evident in the cost of natural gas, electricity and home heating oil. “We built these big houses in the suburbs, which need a lot of energy to stay warm and a car to go shopping,” said Stephen Brobeck, executive director of the Consumer Federation. “And we can’t change that quickly.”


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It does feel a bit like the beginning of the "long emergency" - it is hard to see how we could possibly get out of it without major tumoil.
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 12:49:02

Also from the article

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are some bright spots now in consumer spending. Sales of sports gear and electronic gadgets — particularly G.P.S. navigation devices and flat-panel television sets — have risen over the last three months. To Stephen Baker, vice president for industry analysis at the research firm NPD Group, that suggests there is still enough purchasing power for people to buy what they really want.

“We probably would not have seen strong sales for electronics products that people really want if the overriding issue was economic,” Mr. Baker said.


The consume-o-bots are having to make the tough choices. Who said they couldn't do it ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')You have to make choices,” she said. “I get the Wii, or I go out more. I am just much more aware of the tradeoff now.”
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby cat » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 13:02:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')We probably would not have seen strong sales for electronics products that people really want if the overriding issue was economic,” Mr. Baker said.


What in the world does that statement mean - that the decline in all the other spending is not economic in nature? Maybe space aliens are telling consumers to go out and continue to buy electronics but stop buying coach handbags and designer clothing. :roll:
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby Gerben » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 13:24:46

It's not economic, it's a fashion statement. Expensive heating oil and gasoline is in. New clothes is out. ::roll:
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 14:11:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')We probably would not have seen strong sales for electronics products that people really want if the overriding issue was economic,” Mr. Baker said.


These people are just plain and simply pathetic. The US consumer has lost $580 trillion dollars per year of discretionary income as a result declining home equity loan funds. Are they completely unaware of this, did they just arrive from the outer planets!

They act like there should be no reason that finances are short. That people are not being forced to choose between eating, heating their home, or taking the baby to the doctor. They should all be herded together and shipped to a Brazilian sugar cane plantation where they could cut cane 12 hrs a day, and be treated for Gargantuan Insensitive Stupidity Syndrome in their spare time!
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby DrBang » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 05:32:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey act like there should be no reason that finances are short. That people are not being forced to choose between eating, heating their home, or taking the baby to the doctor. They should all be herded together and shipped to a Brazilian sugar cane plantation where they could cut cane 12 hrs a day, and be treated for Gargantuan Insensitive Stupidity Syndrome in their spare time!



What ShortOnOil said.

Perhaps they could be asked to walk the green mile first?
For every question , there is a lie. For every lie, there is a truth. For every truth, there is a way. And for every way, there is a time. This is the time.
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby drgoodword » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 08:27:56

And now credit card debt--the last reserve of consumer credit--has now been maxed out and is beginning to produce an avalanche of defaults.

(Mish's Economics blog has some good commentary and links on this topic today.)
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Re: Americans Cut Back Sharply on Spending

Unread postby cat » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 16:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd now credit card debt--the last reserve of consumer credit--has now been maxed out and is beginning to produce an avalanche of defaults


With all the defaults which are just beginning to get started, it is just going to worsen, all this at a time when, it seems, we are hitting peak oil. If we can manage to dig ourselves out at all of this financial mess, with the onset of peak oil, and peak this, that and the other, for that matter, how we won't just be pushed back down once we run into these limits. That is why it seems to me that this could be the beginning of what Kunstler calls the "long emergency".
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