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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby mattduke » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 20:30:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'H')m, a true inflationary depression would be weird - "consumers" (we're not citizens any more) keeping their wallets in their pockets as long as possible...

You describe the still-early stage of inflation, where the rising dollar prices results in people desiring to hold more and more dollars. That stage can last for decades. However, when rapidly rising prices cause people to think "I better buy the thing I want now, because the price will only go up," we have reached a more advanced stage. Then demand to keep dollars in wallets drops, and prices jump. The final stage arrives when people think, "I better by something now, anything, because paper does not maintain value." Then paper is recognized for what it is, paper, and is valued accordingly (as wall covering). This is why the Federal Reserve constantly talk about "managing inflation expectations."
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby cube » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:09:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'P')uplava is a gold bug. He's just talking his book. Good luck to him but gold will peak soon then drop like a stone over the next two years....
be careful with making "predictions". You never know if 2 years from now somebody will dig this thread up and put it on public display.

There's a lot of "professionals" who are flushed red with embarrassment today because of making $40 / barrel oil price predictions 2 years ago. :lol:
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:12:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'P')uplava is a gold bug. He's just talking his book. Good luck to him but gold will peak soon then drop like a stone over the next two years....
be careful with making "predictions". You never know if 2 years from now somebody will dig this thread up and put it on public display.

There's a lot of "professionals" who are flushed red with embarrassment today because of making $40 / barrel oil price predictions 2 years ago. :lol:


Gold high today $899.30

Oh yeah - I will dig this thread out in two months when gold is $1250 and laugh...then laugh some more and laugh a little longer ...little harder...
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:24:04

You might want to do that. Don't toss it after two months, in case it's more like six.

Gold bugs, lol, worse than carpet lice.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'Y')ou might want to do that. Don't toss it after two months, in case it's more like six.

Gold bugs, lol, worse than carpet lice.


I get the feeling from anti gold bugs that they were too busy buying equities and hoarding 401K "retirement" dollars to buy gold. Kinda regretful like...ya know the types...bitter.

Silver is actually my choice...but I will laugh fully and loudly in an "I TOLD YOU SO" way independent of the metal that captures the blue ribbon.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:37:24

"Sold" to you.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', '"')Sold" to you.


at $4.00 an OZ.

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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:52:27

I've bookmarked the thread. Inflationists are going to be in for a rude surprise.
Commodities don't do well in depressions, folks....
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 22:55:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'I')'ve bookmarked the thread. Inflationists are going to be in for a rude surprise.
Commodities don't do well in depressions, folks....


You may like this site:

http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www

Karl Denninger believes what you believe and talks all kinds of smack WRT goldbugs. You guys are like peas in a pod.

He also thinks Alaska has plenty of oil and his veggie VW is going to save him from gas lines...

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaah!
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 22:51:29

Karl doesn't "get" Peak Oil. That's OK. He gets commodities. Listen, Gold was up today, mostly on the false rumor of a surprise Fed cut that made the waves.... Cut may happen yet. But the deal with Gold is, what goes up must come down. It's primarily a play on global insecurities and potential disruptions. There are better trades. If one is going to play that route, better have a fast trigger finger on that sell button when the time comes, because it can overnight down 20 per cent, no problem.
I think there are better trades out there, but if you love gold, silver, et al, have at it.
I'll buy index puts on the peaks, myself...
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby FoxV » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 00:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')You may like this site:

http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www

Karl Denninger believes what you believe and talks all kinds of smack WRT goldbugs.


but did you see today's ticker video roccman. The technicals for gold are not looking very good.

I personally agree with the gold bugs that gold will be seeing much higher days. However I agree with the deflationists that there is going to be some serious pain coming for those buying into gold today.

My personal thesis is that when the markets roll over (perhaps this week, lots of news coming out) and everything will drop including commodities. The Fed will then intervene by doing something stupid with interest rates and Commodities will then take off again (after all, all bubbles are good bubbles right?)

In either case, Gold is due for a correction just on its own standing. I find it hard to believe that it will continue to rise at a rate of 14% per month without a reversal (however gold investing is now becoming mainstream so sky's the limit if the markets manage to hold it together for any length of time)

Perhaps the next time to buy gold will be after the Olympics and the election. Thats when everybody's agendas will be over and the gloves can really come off
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 00:44:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')You may like this site:

http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www

Karl Denninger believes what you believe and talks all kinds of smack WRT goldbugs.


but did you see today's ticker video roccman. The technicals for gold are not looking very good.

I personally agree with the gold bugs that gold will be seeing much higher days. However I agree with the deflationists that there is going to be some serious pain coming for those buying into gold today.

My personal thesis is that when the markets roll over (perhaps this week, lots of news coming out) and everything will drop including commodities. The Fed will then intervene by doing something stupid with interest rates and Commodities will then take off again (after all, all bubbles are good bubbles right?)

In either case, Gold is due for a correction just on its own standing. I find it hard to believe that it will continue to rise at a rate of 14% per month without a reversal (however gold investing is now becoming mainstream so sky's the limit if the markets manage to hold it together for any length of time)

Perhaps the next time to buy gold will be after the Olympics and the election. Thats when everybody's agendas will be over and the gloves can really come off


I hope it corrects - a good 20% would be great...then back up the truck again.

I keep hearing gold is gonna crash...well??

I am waiting?
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby cube » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 01:07:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'G')old bugs, lol, worse than carpet lice.
I'm a gold bug. MC2, when are you going to stop crying and come over to the dark side? There's good $$$ to be made these days being a gold bug. 8)
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 01:19:26

Cube, there are easier ways, and they're much less risky than waking up one morning to find your holdings down 20 per cent. Then 20 per cent the next morning.

Gold IS a commodity, as is Silver, Copper, Platinum, winter wheat etc....

If Roccman can time it perfectly, he can make some money - most people can't do that, though. There's not a lot of warning when a bubble pops, and this is a huge bubble.

It also goes to the heart of the debate over whether this is an inflationary or deflationary period we're entering. We shall see.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby roccman » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 01:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'C')ube, there are easier ways, and they're much less risky than waking up one morning to find your holdings down 20 per cent. Then 20 per cent the next morning.

Gold IS a commodity, as is Silver, Copper, Platinum, winter wheat etc....

If Roccman can time it perfectly, he can make some money - most people can't do that, though. There's not a lot of warning when a bubble pops, and this is a huge bubble.

It also goes to the heart of the debate over whether this is an inflationary or deflationary period we're entering. We shall see.


Lady's and Gent's I proudly announce the Gold Bug Bubble...

Citi expects gold to test $1,000 in 2008

Hold on kiddos - this bull is just getting warmed up.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby cube » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 04:32:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'C')ube, there are easier ways, and they're much less risky than waking up one morning to find your holdings down 20 per cent. Then 20 per cent the next morning.
You have an easier idea how to make money? I'm listening. :)


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'I')f Roccman can time it perfectly, he can make some money - most people can't do that, though. There's not a lot of warning when a bubble pops, and this is a huge bubble.
Much like tulip flowers and ridiculously over-priced condos that came before, for every up there must be a down. However my crystal ball doesn't see a bubble until maybe:
gold == $3,000
oil == $300
wheat == $30
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 10:22:14

Cube, if you believe gold is going to 2000, then the markets are going to more than double. This is the hyper-inflationary scenario. Buy long-dated Calls on the indexes and clean up.

If you believe the market is headed lower, buy inverse index ETFs, make select short plays on specific stocks (financials, anyone?), and, oh yeah, don't forget to short GLD. When the gold bugs figure out they're on the wrong side of the trade, you collect. I think metals have a ways to go, as the political hedging is still in play, plus the fears about inflation (which will prove to be ungrounded), but the top will be in fairly soon.

Here's what I expect: next time the Fed cuts, we'll see a spike to maybe 1100. AFter that, be on watch out. Sooner or later, the deflationary nature of what's coming is going to sink in...
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby MC2 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 18:28:11

Well, I hate to say I told you so...

GLD - down 1.7 per cent

SLV - down 4.5 per cent

SDS and DXD up 3 per cent or so...

Does this mean the run-up in metals is over? I don't think so, they will probably go higher, as the Fed will cut rates, but this is the kind of thing that can and will happen along the way back to normal prices for these commodities. Gold will settle somewhere around 5 - 600 within a few months or so.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 18:40:39

I think gold is going to hold its own for a while.

But if we see start seeing economic contraction in the emerging markets...SELL.

India and China are major importers of the shiny stuff and if their incomes aren't rising fast enough to buy an ever increasing stockpile of the shiny stuff, it's time to get out.

My guess is a drop of 20% or more and then a doubling. (to $1500 by 2010?)

It is extremely difficult to time this stuff. Just be careful. Don't bet the rent money in the market.

Buying gold at this point is like throwing a stack of twenty dollar bills on black at the roulette table. Could be great, could be lousy.
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Re: Jim Puplava calling for hyper-inflationary depression 20

Postby qwanta » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 18:43:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'G')old will settle somewhere around 5 - 600 within a few months or so.

:lol: With central banks creating money at an annual 10-15% rate, I don't think so!
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