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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 20:30:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'E')xit polls show Obama won

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5535


CHRIS MATTHEWS ON HARDBALL: So what accounts for Hillary Clinton's victory in New Hampshire? What we don't know is why the victory is so much different in fact, then the polling ahead of time, including what we call the Exit Polls were telling us. Obama was ahead in those polls by an average of 8 points, and even our own Exit Polls, taken as people came out of voting, showed him ahead. So what's going on here?

Chris is a smart guy...he knows.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 21:01:15

This could be a false report. Hope not.

BREAKING NEWS: KUCINICH WILL BE FILING FOR A RECOUNT IN NH

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ews is from a key advisor of Dennis' given to Fred Smart. Should be on Dennis' website soon. Dennis is going to announce this in Michigan. Voteinsunshine.com
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby Armageddon » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 21:10:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'O')K, why did John Kerry just endorse Obama?

Kerry Endorses Obama For President

If Kerry was a member of the NWO in 2004, why is he endorsing the wrong guy in 2008?

The Bilderbergs must have given him the boot. :)

And why is he siding with the loser out of NH?

The NWO Conspiracy falls apart if every evil politician doesn't move in lockstep with the rest of the Powers That Be.



They are trying to cover their tracks.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 22:21:57

Only one day left to ask for a recount under NH election rules.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]New Hampshire Election Statutes

State or Presidential Primary Recounts

660:7 Application. Any person for whom a vote was cast for any nomination of any party at a state or presidential primary may apply for a recount. The application shall be made in writing to the secretary of state and shall be submitted no later than the Friday after the primary for a recount of all ballots cast for such nomination. Each candidate requesting a recount shall pay the secretary of state fees as provided in RSA 660:2.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby azreal60 » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 02:27:06

I always find it fascinating that Obama is consistently said to be a mystery and have less experience. The man has written more about his life in best selling books than I have written in my entire life combined. I mean seriously, if the guys willing to talk about past illegal drug use in public, I highly doubt your getting a big mystery. Sounds about as open as anyone could ask for, yet I consistently hear this great "he's a mystery" claim.

Almost as funny as the he has no experience claim when he sure seems to have been involved in alot of level's of government. I mean, state senate, US senate, community organizer? What experience are you looking for in politics if not that? I'm honestly not sure what more experience a person can get short of actually being president. I'm not claiming Diebold hacking is responsible for New Hampshire, I think New Hampshire more than anything else was way over hyped expectations.

I find it funny even Obama really didn't think he was going to do that well in NH. Yet, he only came out 3 percent below Clinton, which I believe means it might as well be a tie, considering they get the same number of delegates.

The spin on this one just makes me sick. Not because I can't stand to see Obama lose. Because it's just so obvious. Normally they at least do a better job of hiding it.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby psyop101 » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 02:31:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he NWO Conspiracy falls apart if every evil politician doesn't move in lockstep with the rest of the Powers That Be.

Democrat CFR
Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR
Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Newt Gingrich

They movin' boss, they movin' :)

Of course the CFR is really an impotent little social club with little relevance on anything? Just like the Bilderberg Group?
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby psyop101 » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 03:23:04

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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby Roy » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 06:36:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')emocrat CFR
Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR
Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Newt Gingrich

They movin' boss, they movin' Smile


This is why I'm filled with so much hope for America's future as a free, sovereign nation!

Well, that and the fact that people support these "candidates" and consider the candidate who wishes to return our nation to the principles of our Constitution, get rid of the Federal Reserve, end our politics of empire, and restore a sound US currency a "kook".

Hell, there is no need to manipulate the voting machines (even though that is possible and highly likely) when they have the population of our country so brainwashed that the majority of Americans think our Constitution and the ideals this country was founded upon are crazy, liberal ideas. And the idea that our government could lie or control our media as whacky conspiracy theory stuff.

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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 08:26:42

Clinton may have won some NWO points with her stance on Iran. Take a look at the development and financing behind Diebold and ES&S.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK: Calling Iran a danger to the U.S. and one of Israel's greatest threats, U.S. senator and presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with that nation.

"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," the Democrat told a crowd of Israel supporters. "In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."

Clinton spoke at a Manhattan dinner held by the largest pro-Israel lobbying group in the U.S., the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Some 1,700 supporters applauded as she cited her efforts on behalf of the Jewish state and spoke scathingly of Iran's decision to hold a conference last month that questioned whether the Holocaust took place.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/ ... n-Iran.php
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 12:17:45

It will be interesting to see to what degree the mass media will be willing to cover the recount in NH. Because of their stake in the National Election Pool which provides exit polling data through an outfit called Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, they could be viewed as complicit in fixing the election, if in fact a hand recount demonstrates fraud.

In their defense, all these same networks involved with the National Election Pool showed Obama winning in their pre-election polling data.

I just went to the CNN and ABC website and noticed that they haven't posted this story (which is HUGE in its implications) despite the fact that the story has been out for over 12 hours. However, I did notice that Fox, CBS, and NBC have posted the story on their website. The AP was also quick to cover this story.

It seems odd to me that all these networks would give exclusive rights to one organization to provide exit polling data.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Exit Polls From Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International
http://www.exit-poll.net/

Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International will again conduct all exit polling in 2008 for the National Election Pool, comprised of ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC and the Associated Press.
Exit polling will be conducted for the major presidential primaries and caucuses currently scheduled for early 2008, and the presidential, senate and governor elections in all 50 states in November 2008.

The General Election Exit Poll is one of the largest one-day survey research undertakings in the world and the Edison/Mitofsky team will conduct more than 100,000 interviews with voters on election day at more than 1,000 polling locations. The data created from these surveys are crucial to our national understanding of how the electorate makes is decision in each election.

Any news organization in the United States and around the world can subscribe to the election exit polls for live Election Night data feeds. Academic institutions and other interested parties can purchase data for analysis after the election.

Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International have been the exclusive providers of exit poll data to the National Election Pool since 2003. Since 1994 Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International have been conducting exit polls in the United States in addition to exit polls conducted for elections in Mexico, Russia, Taiwan and Azerbaijan.

For more information on how to become a subscriber of exit polls for the 2008 elections, call 888-325-8683 or contact Alicia Buhse to get subscription information for your organization. Post-election researchers are encouraged to inquire.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 16:01:27

Good article here which explores reasons why Hillary may have done so much better in the towns using Accuvote voting machines. Also, a word from David Scanlan, NH's deputy secretary of state for elections.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/011108Lindorff.shtml

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are, to be sure, alternative quite innocent possible explanations for the discrepancy between the machine and hand votes for Clinton and Obama. All the state's larger towns and cities, like Nashua, Concord and Portsmouth, have gone to voting machines. While there are many small communities that have also opted for machines, it is almost exclusively the smaller towns and villages across the state that have stayed with hand counts-most of them in the more rural northern part of the state. So if Obama did better than Clinton in the small towns, and Clinton did better in the large ones, that could be the answer.

But that explanation flies in the face of logic, historic voting patterns, and most of the post election prognosticating.

If it is true that there was "behind the curtain" racism involved in people saying to pollsters that they were for Obama, while privately voting against him, surely it would be more likely that this would happen in the isolated towns of northern New Hampshire where black people are rarely to be seen. Clinton was also said to have fared better among people with lower incomes-again a demographic that is more prominent in the rural parts of the Granite State. Finally, Obama, in New Hampshire as in Iowa, did better among younger voters, and that is the demographic group that is typically in shorter supply in small towns, where job opportunities are limited. Furthermore, in Iowa, it was in the larger municipalities that Obama fared best, not in the rural towns, so how likely is it that his geographic appeal would be reversed in New Hampshire?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')avid Scanlan, New Hampshire's deputy secretary of state for elections, whom I contacted Thursday, said that while town election officials are required to do test runs of the Diebold machines in the days before an election, "to make sure that they are reading the ballot markings accurately," and that at that point the machines and the memory cards are sealed until the actual election day, there is no way for his office to independently conduct a post balloting test. The ballot boxes are sealed and the only way they can be opened if for a candidate to request (and pay for) a manual recount, or for a court to order one." Scanlan says that the same is true for the voting machines and the memory cards. While the sealed ballots are retained "for years," however, the memory cards will be back in the hands of the contractor, LHS Associates, in "a few months," to be erased and prepared for use in the general election next November.

Scanlan says that the state legislature is currently considering legislation to provide for routine audits of machines after elections, but that won't help this election cycle.

Scanlan said that because the machines are freestanding, there is no chance of their being hacked from the outside, but critics note that the hacking can be done in advance to the memory cards, which can pass changes to each other like a virus as each is programmed for a particular election.

Jonathan Simon, an attorney and co-founder of the group Election Defense Alliance, says that the vote discrepancies between machine and hand counts in New Hampshire's Democratic primary are troubling, and defy easy explanation.

"The trouble is, whenever you have a surprise result in an election, and it runs counter to the polls, the media always say the problem is the polling, not the counting." But he adds, "The thing is, these things always work in one direction—in favor of the more conservative candidate, and that defies the law of quantum mechanics."
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 22:24:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'I')t will be interesting to see to what degree the mass media will be willing to cover the recount in NH.


There is still no recount for the media to cover.

Kucinich requested a recount but the recount will occur only if Obama asks for it.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 02:04:22

The hand recount is scheduled to start in NH on January 16 for both Democratic and Republican primaries.

Albert Howard filed on the Republican side.
http://alberthoward.org/default.aspx

Granny Warrior is collecting donations to help Albert pay for the recount on the Republican side.
http://www.grannywarrior.com/

Albert's not your run of the mill candidate:
"The Angel of the Lord told me in January of 1992
that Hillary Rodham Clinton and I would meet
and be running against each other
and that she would lose".
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 03:33:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'T')he hand recount is scheduled to start in NH on January 16 for both Democratic and Republican primaries....

Granny Warrior is collecting donations to .... pay for the recount on the Republican side.
http://www.grannywarrior.com/


What's the point of having a recount on the republican side? The results closely matched the polls.....
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby virgincrude » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 07:33:04

Here's a fair look at it, not MSM (never will be beyond mentioning how many from the 'loony left' raise the spectre of fixed elections) but close enough:

New Hampshire Vote
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 11:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'T')he hand recount is scheduled to start in NH on January 16 for both Democratic and Republican primaries....

Granny Warrior is collecting donations to .... pay for the recount on the Republican side.
http://www.grannywarrior.com/


What's the point of having a recount on the republican side? The results closely matched the polls.....


I don't know...there's a major computer count vote vs hand count vote anomaly in favor of Romney even though he still lost the overall vote by 6%.

In this case though, I can see why Romney would do much better in the larger towns near MA since he was a MA governor.

In Obama's case, I don't know why he would do better in the more rural areas of NH. In Iowa, Obama did much better in large muncipalities.

Virgincrude:
Good article. IMO, the author didn't do enough to address the huge disparities between the pre-election polls and the actual results.

As far as hacking the vote, it may not have been so difficult. As Bev Harris of Black Box Voting says "One simple method of attack is to flip the ballot definition file so that Candidate A records as Candidate B and vice versa".
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 13:50:59

The simplest explanation for the NH result is that liberal democrats told the pollsters they were going to vote for Obama but when they were alone in the ballot box their internal racism took over and they just couldn't make themselves vote for a black man. :roll:
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby pana_burda » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 22:24:31

yeahh ....... and everybody lived happily everafter!!!
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?

Postby billg » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 01:22:45

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................

Obama-Clinton: remarkable opscan v. handcount results

looks like somebody planted a cute little code in the central tabulator...very unprofessional job...

the numbers in the article actually check out to a .0001% variance

THIS MUST BE A JOKE!
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Rigged Elections,

Postby RdSnt » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 23:58:54

This evening while tracking some of the speculation of the legitimacy of Hillary's victory last week I had one of those "oh, shit" moments.
I'm a fairly cynical character and I'm always turning over the implications of current affairs in relation to historical events.
I figured I'd share this one with you.

Consider the New England primary victory with the subsequent chatter about Hillary's surprise victory. Now, connect that with all the chatter about faulty voting machines and shady equipment companies, and the chaos in each state as they waffle back and forth with what methods they should use. Think of all the reasonably low-key press that has accumulated over the past 7 years regarding this subject.

Now let's look ahead from now to super Tuesday. What if there is an increasing level of noise and concern about unreliable voting. Then the MMB starts to report on all the trouble that States are having establishing a reliable system.

The "oh shit" moment was this. What if BushCo. uses this chaos to "delay" the general elections. They would say, due to all the irregularities that have appeared in the primaries and all the troubles the States are having, it would be best to postpone the elections so that the obvious problems are fixed and the "people" can be assured of fair, democratic elections.
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