[lys3rg0]

I've had mixed experiences with dentists, but so far i can't say i hate their guts. I avoid them whenever possible, but i'[ve had a few occasions when it got so bad that i needed stuff done professionally.

My first experience was around the age of 10. One of my baby teeth wouldn't fall, all the others around had changed long before but this one was just hanging in. The new tooth next to it was about 3 times larger, it looked like i had cracked my tooth and managed to keep just a small fragment. Turns out, the new tooth that was supposed to grow and push the old one out of the way couldn't surface because i had a bone malformation burried into my gums just below the tooth, stopping the growth. Luckily it was an "independent" thing, not connected to my skull, so i didn't need a surgeon to get it out, my dentist managed to dig around the gums and extract it little by little, in order not to leave a huge crater. Soon as that got taken care of, the new tooth grew as it should have and i finally regained simmetry.

After that, nothing major happened for quite a few years. Towards the end of college i had a few cavities fixed, one of them required a root canal thingy. A few years later one of my fillings kinda chipped, but i didn't pay attention until it started to hurt. The whole thing cost me another root canal...

Again, a few years without any problems, then, this year, same kind of problem, although this time it wasn't exactly my fault. I didn't even see the crack in the filling, because it was hidden behind the tooth, but i developed some kind of infection on my first tooth that had the root removed. So i had the whole thing redone, after about 3 months of weekly treatment to kill the germs.

I don't remember what it cost for the older stuff, but this treatment was around 30 euro, with no guarantees that it would successfully fight off the infection and save the tooth. When the treatment was done, thankfully the verdict was that i could keep the tooth. Otherwise i'd have to get it extracted with a surgeon, because, as it apparently often happens with rootless teeth, they weld themselves into the jaw bone, which makes it impossible to have them pulled by the simple procedure any dentist can do. Although i saved the tooth, the hole was too big to plug with a filling, so i had to get it covered entirely, which cost another 40 euro.

That was without any insurance coverage btw - everything was paid for out of pocket.

I know that even here, where dental work is orders of magnitude less expensive than in the states or western europe, there are conspiracy stories circulating about doctors not cleaning cavities well enough and filling teeth over diseased areas, so you'll come back in a few months to have the thing redone. However, my dentist is quite cooperative when it comes to technical, medical and chemical specifics regarding all the procedures. She explained everything in detail, answered all my questions, and i was quite happy with her services. But i'm certain that very few of her patients would have the level of knowledge/education to ask certain important questions regarding dental hygiene / treatment, let alone understand the answers or advice given. So i regard conspiracy stories as any other scary part of folklore, i'm pretty sure it's born out of ignorance or the result of a few cases where the patient was abused by his lack of knowledge and his dentist's greed.

[shakespear1]

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How do you incorporate peroxide in this method? Do you mix this and then brush ?

[Polemic]

[web]http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303204231[/web]

[frankthetank]

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I've still got a pulse....

I've had it all done. I should be a poster boy for their study. Except i'm going on 20 years? with my merc fillings I've got composites, i've got crowns, i've got root canals (2). I've had teeth extracted (1) and my wisdom teeth. I dunno. I think Oxygen is deadly and thats why MJ slept in a chamber. You can worry about things 24/7, but in the end that will kill you too...its called stress.

[Polemic]

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I've still got a pulse....

I've had it all done. I should be a poster boy for their study. Except i'm going on 20 years? with my merc fillings I've got composites, i've got crowns, I've got root canals (2). I've had teeth extracted (1) and my wisdom teeth. I dunno. I think Oxygen is deadly and thats why MJ slept in a chamber. You can worry about things 24/7, but in the end that will kill you too...its called stress.

[Mahmoud]

Regarding that point about mercury fillings and electric currents. I recall a time when I had a bit of tinfoil from a candy against my filling and it hurt, like a major shock going through me. I wonder if the filling material itself over time gets damaged that way, as current transform material.

I have seen old fililngs removed and they seem be just a dull black, nothing very silvery looking about them.

No doubt, stuff is going on with amalgam filings.

[smallpoxgirl]

I thought the whole mercury thing was pretty goofy until somebody showed me the World Health Organization report that says that mercury fillings are the single largest contributor to mercury ingestion for most people worldwide. We're not supposed to eat tuna more than twice a week because we might get too much mercury, but most of us get more from our teeth than we do from tuna. Somehow ingesting mercury in a tuna fish is deadly poison, but when it's from your own teeth it's perfectly safe? That doesn't make sense now and hasn't for the 150 years that the ADA has been trying to sell it.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') thought the whole mercury thing was pretty goofy until somebody showed me the World Health Organization report that says that mercury fillings are the single largest contributor to mercury ingestion for most people worldwide. We're not supposed to eat tuna more than twice a week because we might get too much mercury, but most of us get more from our teeth than we do from tuna. Somehow ingesting mercury in a tuna fish is deadly poison, but when it's from your own teeth it's perfectly safe? That doesn't make sense now and hasn't for the 150 years that the ADA has been trying to sell it.

[blukatzen]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA

Watch this!

One of my old dentists, (whom I really like!) is an environmental dentists. She is so famous in this area, you now can't get an appt.for at least 6 to 8 months.
There are very few dentists practising like she does. She is adamant about taking out mercury fillings, but she had this enormous gizmo she deals with when taking out old fillings. It was like a giant machine sucking out air, and she put it right near the patient's mouth when she was drilling the old amalgam out. She stopped once in awhile, and said "take a break"..and I was wondering, "sheesh" she takes an awful lot of breaks." Well, until one sees this video, you will not understand WHY she had to do this. She took breaks because there was an awful lot of that vapour being released off the tooth.

I never understood all of this, and now I hope you folks will see WHY it is important to get that toxic crud out of our mouths/bodies.
(Especially important if one is thinking about becoming a parent!)

And just to think we PAID for this to happen to us.

It is one thing to say "well, it was the past, we are doing something else now because we have newer materials, and we know better." But no, the AMA and the ADA just take the same old same old approach. Big business just like anyone else, and when they screw up, they backtrack, because to admit it will open up lawsuits like you wouldn't believe.

Cheaper to let you get sick....

Blu

[threadbear]

So much of my take on the new dentistry is formed by what I have personally witnessed over the years, that I find it difficult to be objective. I have seen 2 single women in poor health, with low incomes, reduced to complete poverty after seeing dentists who claimed all of their symptoms would go away if they had their fillings removed and their root canals replaced.

One of my best friend, was about to go through some decades long procedure to fix her teeth, with the bill left open ended. When she insisted on being given a rough estimate of cost, the dentist became impatient and told her she didn't understand the art of dentistry and he couldn't be constrained by such considerations!! This wasn't a standard procedure to get rid of pain either..but another crazy ass scheme to cure her of all of her physical symptoms.

She was still considering going through with it, until I helped talk her out of it. She would be reduced to poverty had she gone ahead with it.

It seems to me that the logical fallacy is that traditional medicine and dentistry CANNOT be trusted, therefore non traditional can. I think neither can be totally trusted.

There are a few illnesses (fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, irritable bowel syndrome).. that are erroneously written off by some in the medical community as being psycho-somatic. The blinkered stupidity of many doctors, drive people into the clutches of snake oil salesmen, some of whom are dentists. A dentist should NEVER make the claim that removing mercury fillings or root canals WILL cure someone afflicted with an illness that he knows little about, unless he has firm proof, or reason to believe that it will help that particular individual.

[dukey]

First off .. i posted around 4 months ago about mercury fillings. And saying how they were toxic .. some called me a 'conspiracy theorist'. Well I also said my mum had chronic health problems (had done for 25+ years) and that she was getting her fillings removed (she had 9). Well fast foward 4~ months, her health, while not perfect has almost never been better. And she is continuing to get better, which is fantastic news. A while ago she told me that because me and my sister are now grown up that she could die now. Life was that bad for her she actually felt that way. Now things are a lot different ..

I myself have very poor health. I have a good diet, no fillings .. but I do have 1 root canal on my front tooth. I am thinking either of getting the root canal redone or getting the tooth pulled.

This site seems to have some good information on root canal.

http://www.mgoldmandds.com/rctchoices.htm

[kadoomsoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') thought the whole mercury thing was pretty goofy until somebody showed me the World Health Organization report that says that mercury fillings are the single largest contributor to mercury ingestion for most people worldwide. We're not supposed to eat tuna more than twice a week because we might get too much mercury, but most of us get more from our teeth than we do from tuna. Somehow ingesting mercury in a tuna fish is deadly poison, but when it's from your own teeth it's perfectly safe? That doesn't make sense now and hasn't for the 150 years that the ADA has been trying to sell it.

[kadoomsoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'F')irst off .. i posted around 4 months ago about mercury fillings. And saying how they were toxic .. some called me a 'conspiracy theorist'. Well I also said my mum had chronic health problems (had done for 25+ years) and that she was getting her fillings removed (she had 9). Well fast foward 4~ months, her health, while not perfect has almost never been better. And she is continuing to get better, which is fantastic news. A while ago she told me that because me and my sister are now grown up that she could die now. Life was that bad for her she actually felt that way. Now things are a lot different ..

I myself have very poor health. I have a good diet, no fillings .. but I do have 1 root canal on my front tooth. I am thinking either of getting the root canal redone or getting the tooth pulled.

This site seems to have some good information on root canal.

http://www.mgoldmandds.com/rctchoices.htm

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', '
')Now is a good time to have your teeth checked and repaierd in a few months there will be no dentists.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', '
')Now is a good time to have your teeth checked and repaierd in a few months there will be no dentists.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good day from Pheba, from the farm:
I had two root canals about 28 years ago. I began to have horrific headaches about 8 years ago. The headaches would always start behind my left eye. My tooth also began to ache where I had a root canal. I went to my dentist. He took an xray. The xray did not show any infection. He asked me to come back in one month if the pain and headaches did not stop.
One month later I returned. He sent me to an oral surgeon, and I had the offending tooth removed. The roots of the tooth were black with infection. The headaches went away after the root canal was removed. One year later I had the other root canal tooth removed.
I would never ver get another root canal. I will get the offending tooth pulled. Root canals do not prevent the infectious material from invading your body. They only cover up the problem. Very often antibiotics are not able to penetrate to the infected area, but the infectious material can seep into your body. I do not trust root canals.
I also believe that the stupidest thing ever contrived by the dental industry is an amalgam for fillings that contains mercury.
Mercury is one of the most lingering toxic natural metals known to man. My dentist is suffering from mercury poisoning, and he refuses to do amalgam fillings. he does composite fillings.
The U.S. is one of very few civilized nations that still uses mercury amalgam fillings. Most nations have made them illegal.
I also drink about a half a gallon of tea every two days. I have not been to the dentist in about 4 years.
My husband has only been once or twice in his life. he drinks a gallon of tea every day. Don't know what it does, but it is doing something.
My daughter has had very few cavities in her life. She grew up on rural well water without any fluoride in it. She never had a cavity when she was growing up. She inherited my genetics for bad teeth, but she never had a cavity until she went to college and began drinking treated water. Makes me wonder.
Pheba.

[Gigashadow]

I have found that dentists and doctors are basically text books; they are taught that if you see a patient with A and B, then he most likely has C. That works most of the time, but not all of the time. They also may not really understand or even think about the "why".

Also, the long term side effects of most things are not known. I generally assume that taking any chemical is a bad idea, and will only do it as a last resort, to solve major problems, not minor ones. You have to use common sense; putting mercury in your teeth is so obviously a bad idea, regardless of what the government claims.

A few years ago I noticed I had had serious intestinal problems that had been slowly building up over a couple of years. I had a colonoscopy and was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, which is incurable. However, given the timing of when this started, I felt fairly certain it was really an infection I had picked up from someone else, although every test I took along that path came up negative. It took 2 years for me to figure out the problem, but with the help of a researcher I cured myself of it. It turned out to be a common parasite.

[frankthetank]

Tomorrow i will have a tooth pulled instead of a root canal I've had a toothache (horrible) for 2 days now and its classic irreversible blah pulpitis or whatever its called, basically the only thing that helps the pain is cold water. I can't stand root canals anyways (i've got 2), plus a lot of people (brother/sister) have had to have it redone because 1st time was successful...no thanks.

How do you replace mercury fillings (in big molars) without have to get rid of the whole tooth? Can that rip the filling out and put in white fillings?

[blukatzen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Tomorrow i will have a tooth pulled instead of a root canal :) I've had a toothache (horrible) for 2 days now and its classic irreversible blah pulpitis or whatever its called, basically the only thing that helps the pain is cold water. I can't stand root canals anyways (i've got 2), plus a lot of people (brother/sister) have had to have it redone because 1st time was successful...no thanks.')
I am surprised they are letting you do this. My dentist will NOT let me pull out any teeth, because she says that it will lead to further problems down the road. She says that the alignment in the teeth (the "bite") will shift, and I could also get TMJ (thermomandibular jaw, a misalignment and other subsequent probems.) It's a lose-lose proposition when you let these crackpots start drilling in your mouth. Keep your kids away from the dentist! They will undergo a litany of needing repairs for the rest of their life.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'How do you replace mercury fillings (in big molars) without have to get rid of the whole tooth? Can that rip the filling out and put in white fillings?')

Sure Frank! That's what I had done to 2 of my fillings that were side teeth, and one molar. The other 2 molars were so huge (most of the tooth dentin was chipped away for the damn filling) that the dentist decided to put in root canals. If those ever go, I am getting them pulled. I don't care. I don't want those pent up poison-makers in my head.

Good luck tomorrow at the dentist... I feel for ya!

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')They just pulled teeth back then. Pretty much. I can remove your teeth quicker, less painfully, and without any tools, for a smaller fee.