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THE Manure Thread (merged)

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 18:04:50

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Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 20:57:48

"Lethal Manure"

Hmmmmmm.....

I wonder what sort of Action /Adventure films we should expect from Hollywood post-peak?
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Unread postby JoeW » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 22:48:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '&')quot;Lethal Manure" Hmmmmmm..... I wonder what sort of Action /Adventure films we should expect from Hollywood post-peak?

I don't know, but if "Lethal Manure" is one, I think the sequel should be "Eat Shit and Die"
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Unread postby savethehumans » Wed 30 Mar 2005, 00:53:41

Definitely, we're gonna get more "Mad Max" types of films. **s i g h**
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Unread postby gg3 » Wed 30 Mar 2005, 02:02:54

Farm worker gets in his own way as he tries to dump an 8-ton load of manure from a tractor-towed tipping trailer, and suffocates to death under the enormous pile of shit.

One tragic death for a man, one giant metaphor for mankind.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 30 Mar 2005, 02:32:53

Was it an accident? or was it self-immanuration?
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Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby MyOtherID » Thu 11 May 2006, 09:51:22

[web]http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/state/14449289.htm[/web]
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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 11 May 2006, 12:40:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')heoretically, the resulting millions of barrels of crude a day could make a significant dent in America's dependence on nonrenewable, and often imported, oil.


Ah ha ha ha! Yeah, let's base our fuel dependence on something as destructive, cruel, wasteful, stupid, and unhealthy as factory pig farming.

Oh yeah.
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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby MyOtherID » Thu 11 May 2006, 12:53:48

Mmmmm, bacon!

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You ain't gonna get rid of piggeries, gal.
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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 11 May 2006, 12:58:16

Doesn't mean I have to support pig factories or anything to do with them.

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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby ThunderSnow » Thu 11 May 2006, 13:51:37

Who.
Run..... Bartertown?

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I guess there wil be plenty of work Post Peak in Underworld. Unemployed dot-commers fighting over who gets to be called Pig Killer.
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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby Pops » Thu 11 May 2006, 15:09:03

I read the other day that of the 10 million bushels of corn grown in the US, half goes to animal feed and half of that goes to hogs – that’s a lot of corn.

Now the hog farmer sells the manure to the corn farmer to fertilize the corn but if we start to make oil from manure (so we aren't dependant on that nasty frreign oil) fertilizer will need to come from somewhere else – maybe foreign nat gas perhaps?

Lots of ripples in the old pond…
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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby GoIllini » Thu 11 May 2006, 17:14:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')heoretically, the resulting millions of barrels of crude a day could make a significant dent in America's dependence on nonrenewable, and often imported, oil.


Ah ha ha ha! Yeah, let's base our fuel dependence on something as destructive, cruel, wasteful, stupid, and unhealthy as factory pig farming.

Oh yeah.

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Re: Pig Poop Power : Talk about "Manurotopia"!

Unread postby grillzilla » Sat 13 May 2006, 18:48:20

hmm, a slightly sickening thought but .. if it works with pig poop, would it work with human waste?

If I remember right the main sewage plant in Los Angeles processes 500 MILLION gallons of sewage a day. They have a big problem getting rid of the mostly dried, treated solids.
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Gasify manure to make ethanol

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 04:07:50

Ethanol plant will use mounds of manure $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he plant will gasify 1 billion pounds of manure a year to make 100 million gallons of ethanol. The manure will save the plant nearly 365,000 barrels of oil equivalent per year.
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New Ethanol Plants to Be Fueled by Cow Manure

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 21:03:28

National Geographic Story.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')anda has plans to build similar facilities in Haskell County, Kansas, and Yuma, Colorado.

In Mead, Nebraska, a small town of about 600 people 30 miles west of Omaha (Nebraska map), E3 Biofuels is taking the idea of cow power a step further.

Their new facility, set to begin operation in October, will integrate cattle and ethanol production in a highly efficient "closed loop" system.

The E3 operation is smaller than the Panda facilities. Built around an existing feedlot, 30,000 head of cattle will provide the energy needed to produce 24 million gallons (91 million liters) of ethanol a year.

Cattle will be kept in long, covered enclosures with slotted floors, and manure falling through will be pumped directly into the processing facility.

E3 CEO Dennis Langley says collecting the manure immediately eliminates the common problem of water pollution caused by manure left standing in feedlots or spread across farmland.


Bit of a catch with the use of those slotted floors, however: from this story:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he close proximity of the feedlot operation wasn't the only reason that brought E3 to Mead; the existence of slatted floors in the feedlot played a key role. It is rare, and expensive, for this flooring technology to be used in feedlots of this size. The slatted floors allow for the manure to be easily collected below the feedlot, cleaned, and pumped into the anaerobic digester. Inside the digester, bacteria breaks down the manure, resulting in bio-methane that is channeled to the ethanol plant.


Pimentel expressed interest:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ornell University ecologist David Pimentel is an ethanol skeptic and co-author of a study finding that corn ethanol typically costs more energy to produce than it provides.

Pimentel says manure-fueled production does represent an improvement over traditional methods.

"It probably would make [the net energy balance] slightly positive," Pimentel said, though he remains skeptical about the efficiency claims of E3 Biofuels.

"If you omit some of the inputs, you can make it look good. I'd like to see all the data," he added.


I've seen a few other reports of plans for manure powered plants. Picked up a copy of David Blume's book and he sees ethanol plants switching from NG to manure en masse when prices go too high to satisfy shareholders. These plant owners already are talking about cost savings as well:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')3 reports that the Genesis plant avoids $6.5 to $7.25 million in natural gas that would be required to fuel the boilers. There is also $2-$3 million in savings by not having to heat wet distillers grain in order to dry it for shipping. The plant also sells biodigester effluent, a high-quality fertilizer and by-product of the anaerobic digestion process, to local farmers.


The Nat Graphic article mentions TOD, who've already had a piece on E3 by Rapier: E3 Biofuels: Responsible Ethanol.
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Re: New Ethanol Plants to Be Fueled by Cow Manure

Unread postby ohanian » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 21:09:30

This is a BULLSHIT story.
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Re: New Ethanol Plants to Be Fueled by Cow Manure

Unread postby FrankRichards » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 22:24:09

Don't forget however that methane is natural gas, and can be (and is) sold as such. This affects the economics, and might be a better energy return as well.
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Re: New Ethanol Plants to Be Fueled by Cow Manure

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 00:43:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', '[')size=200]This is a BULLSHIT story.[/size]


:lol:

You said it, man!

Consensus at TOD was that it would be good for pushing the EROEI up to maybe 4.5/5. Would do the trick on a limited scale in places with ag surpluses.

Interesting notion of "town gas." Of course humans take enormous amounts of dumps as well. May be a good use for night soil in the future.
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Re: New Ethanol Plants to Be Fueled by Cow Manure

Unread postby Gerben » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 04:32:22

Using cow manure for the production of biogas is not new. This is already being done in several developing countries as well as in some European. This biogas much like landfill gas. Many countries are stimulating this as a green replacement of natural gas.
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