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Life after death?

What's on your mind?
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What do you think happens after you die?

Poll ended at Fri 22 Oct 2004, 14:58:01

You turn to dust, end of story.
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We all go to heaven.
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Some go to heaven, some hell (depending on actions)
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Some go to heaven, some hell (depending on beliefs)
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We all go to hell.
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We all go to Valhalla and drink ourselves silly.
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We become one with everything (Jung)
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We keep coming back to use more energy (Hindu)
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My bags are packed, where's that comet?
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We wonder the earth haunting houses and ex'es.
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Total votes : 46

Postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:07:59

Science of the day 'back then' claimed that the earth was flat. Modern day scientific beliefs are being changed daily. Scientists cannot explain away everything. There's more to this world than meets the eye. Just because many people have not seen ghosts/spirits doesn't mean that they don't exist.
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Postby BabyPeanut » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:10:49

define "life".
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Postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:15:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'd')efine "life".


Human intellect and personality survive in energy form outside of the human body. We create our own reality. These free spirits can meet in that reality. I am not talking about a Christian-only heaven.
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Postby MikeB » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:19:02

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Postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:20:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MikeB', 'M')r NVghost:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')uman intellect and personality survive in energy form outside of the human body. We create our own reality. These free spirits can meet in that reality. I am not talking about a Christian-only heaven.


How nice for you that you have the capacity for such understanding. Such statements make no sense whatsoever to me. Perhaps I was born with a gene missing....


LOL. Just my theory. I have no hard evidence to back this up. :)
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Postby Itch » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:31:51

I'm not sure about life after death, but at least I'll get a huge DMT hit before death, unless my head explodes or gets crushed by a moving school bus. It's hard to have an opinion about life after death. I don't seem to recall any life before life, so I suspect that there isn't any life after death. I'm guessing that I'll hallucinate for a bit and then be eaten by bugs and bacteria.
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Postby threadbear » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:36:13

Itch, Why do you assume you're hallucinating on DMT? It seems that you are translated into another medium, a parallel or different universe. People who return from these places often say they have a more real quality than their mundane reality
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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:51:02

Havind died I will say there is life after death. There are those who say tunnels and white light are the result of firing synapses and I won't argue that. Hypoglycemics can apparently see spontaneous blue metalic flashes where no electricity is.

I am sure someone can come up with a reason why I make digital watches go bonkers and die and can explain the abnormal amount of bio energy that people who have died get. If you look hard enough you can find whatever answer you seek. and that is my point. if it works for you cool. if not... move on.
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Postby Terran » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 19:54:18

I don't believe in life after death, mainly because I'm an atheist.
As far as ghost, it has been scientifically proven with certain equipments that its some from of energy drifting around.

At birth, and right before you die, DMT is naturally secreted by the human pineal gland, it is believed to play a role in dreaming, near-death experiences and other mystical states.

You acually "trip" on DMT twice in your life, once at birth and before you die. I believe that is when your pineal glands produces a hugh surge of it. This explains why some people claim to had lived "past lives" and when they experience the near death experience, they claim to had visited other worlds in this visionary state. DMT is the most powerful hallucinogen known to man, only LSD is more potant.
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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 20:04:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'e')xplains why some people claim to had lived "past lives" and when they experience the near death experience


Not all who claim to have experienced a past life reflection were in the midst of a NDE. when people have reflections of things that happen in other rooms of a hospital after they died has not been explained ans does not count as a past life experience.

you can see a lot more if you choose to.
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Postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 20:06:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s far as ghost, it has been scientifically proven with certain equipments that its some from of energy drifting around.


Has it? That is too funny. I can't even respond to such a ridiculous statement.

Any closed-minded person is not intelligent in my opinion. To leave open the door for any and all possibilities is a sign of higher intelligence. Why do athiests refuse to believe in life after death? Fear? What have you got to lose in believing life after death? Nothing. You will live a happier life on this side even if you are wrong and you don't live after death. It's a win-win situation to believe.
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Postby MikeB » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 20:15:57

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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 20:16:25

I think if you admit or become open to one thing that means (to some) that you must become open to other things (vampires) and they don't have any definitive way to exclude some of these things as being unrealistic.

Since you can't totally prove or disprove some of these things, once you leave yourself open to some things its crazy making and there is no end to the things out there some people will want to convince you of. Once you start with the questions, there might never be an end to it and where does that leave the ground work you have laid to be able to understand your "reality".

A lot of people have such a tenuous grasp on reality to begin with that when they fly off the handle with these weird cockamamy ideas they tend to make others want to discount everything. these subject matters also make their grasp on reality more tenuous. :oops:
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Postby Falconoffury » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 20:18:30

I believe in life after death, but I don't really have a way of proving it. All I can say is that I feel my spirit. That's all the proof I need.

That reminds me of a song by a band called Live. I don't remember the exact words, but the singer says something like he doesn't need any proof, he looks at his daughter and he believes.
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Postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 05:34:59

I and many of my friends have seen ghosts, but I don't personally believe. Seeing is not believing!

I don't believe in life after death either. I believe we are all a set of replicating proteins, and when we die some other set of replicating proteins uses us to replicate. I eat other creatures, I die, worms eat me, birds eat worms, cats eat birds, worms eat cats etc. etc.
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Postby Licho » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 07:47:17

I can't answer on this pool. You are mixing 2 completely unrelated things..
Like "ghosts" and some form of existence after death.
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Postby Licho » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 07:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Any closed-minded person is not intelligent in my opinion. To leave open the door for any and all possibilities is a sign of higher intelligence. Why do athiests refuse to believe in life after death? Fear? What have you got to lose in believing life after death? Nothing. You will live a happier life on this side even if you are wrong and you don't live after death. It's a win-win situation to believe.


Actually, atheism is not the same thing as not believing in some continuation after death. 80% people in my country are atheists, they don't take a shit about christianity, islam or any other major religion.. Yet, many are very spiritual and believe in some form of continuation.

And regarding "fear" .. well fear of death is certainly one of the factors why so many people believe in continuation after death and often stick to some mindless religion .. I don't think that any people are atheists because of fear of afterlife :-)

And btw, believing into something just because you want to believe and not because you have some reason is usually sign of weaker mind and not higher intelligence..
How would you describe people who believe that 13 is unlucky number or that black cat running across the road is some bad sign? How would you describe people who oppose vaccination or blood transfusion? All christian oprganization were opposing vaccination in beginning of 20th century, just because they "believed" it's wrong...
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Postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 14:13:04

There are a number of reasons why Pascal's wager is useless, but in my opinion the greatest reason is that you DO suffer if you believe in something that isn't real.
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Postby MikeB » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 14:26:30

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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 04 Feb 2005, 15:30:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd btw, believing into something just because you want to believe and not because you have some reason is usually sign of weaker mind and not higher intelligence..


Says who? Who are you to make that value judgement?

Show me one great intelligence that didn't believe in something they couldn't prove and just because they "did" or chose to until they could prove it or create it? Einstein believed a great many things that weren't true so did Leonardo Da Vinci. but their beliefs and imagination caused things to become.

How do you think people met Da Vinci's helecopter? How do you think they responded to Einsteins relativity. they thought they were bonkers but did not respond negatively becuase they had history with these two great thinkers and knew that time would probably prove them right.

What about the Buddha? Do you think they thought he was off his rocker when he started talking about reincarnation? Or Jesus when he said there was life after death? Choosing to believe is the first step, not a sign of a lack of intelligence. It is the essence of determination. You may not agree but you choose and make choices all the time. You may not have a reason to do what you do but you do it non-the-less. does that make you less intelligent? Do hunches make a person less intelligent?
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