[Revi]

There but for the grace of god go I...

I think that we are all going to be hurt by what is happening. It's not fun to live in a declining economy. We are all going to see the repercussions of peak oil starting this winter.

I think a lot of people who bought too much overpriced real estate will start to give it back to the bank soon. This is not going to be like it's a wonderful life. The banks that they give it back to will be some mortgage holder in who knows where. Their many mortgages will go sour, like Northern Rock. Many banks will find that they own some percentage of all those mortgages.

I am really getting worried. I liked peak oil as an academic pursuit much better. This is getting way too real now...

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')I am really getting worried. I liked peak oil as an academic pursuit much better. This is getting way too real now...

[Denny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'S')ad, he was an autoworker retiree, what becomes of he and his wife now?

[Revi]

The ranks of the homeless are swelling now. Imagine what they will be like when the subprime really hits. I don't know what we are going to do with all these people. There will probably be lots of refugees from some of the hardest hit areas. I read that Cleveland and other cities have a lot of unoccupied foreclosed houses that are now being stripped for their copper.

Well, I am thankful to have a roof over our head and food to eat. Who knows what the future holds?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'I')s it really every dog for himself?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')he ranks of the homeless are swelling now. Imagine what they will be like when the subprime really hits. I don't know what we are going to do with all these people. There will probably be lots of refugees from some of the hardest hit areas. I read that Cleveland and other cities have a lot of unoccupied foreclosed houses that are now being stripped for their copper.

Well, I am thankful to have a roof over our head and food to eat. Who knows what the future holds?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '
')I too fear that we are approaching a chasm of expectations versus reality, but if we ignore our fellow man and woman, is this a vision of the real America? Is it really every dog for himself?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '
')I too fear that we are approaching a chasm of expectations versus reality, but if we ignore our fellow man and woman, is this a vision of the real America? Is it really every dog for himself?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')hich Americans are those? It would follow that they are the exact same people that got us to this place.

[holmes]

That is why I have little respect for the American haters. They are clueless to how my pre ww2 family operates. it is their nanny whining state banter that has helped get us to this predicament. My family makes you work like a mule to get three square meals. The nonsense spewed has little meaning in my world and how we were raised. This new deal and the new humanoids created are the problem. But most haters do not want to analyze history. and pre ww2 immigrants offspring were getting educated and stabilizing the population in general. Over population is the primary cause of everything. more whining brats wanting more and more shit. it would be nice to just slap the fucking shit out of all these spoiled rotten little turds.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'G')od help us.....if she wins we'll have 24 consectutive years of Bush/Clinton.

[Denny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'G')od help us.....if she wins we'll have 24 consectutive years of Bush/Clinton.

[kpeavey]

Clinton: $5,000 for Every U.S. Baby
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

4 million babies born in the US each year (current rate)
$20 Billion for this project each year, not including administrative expenses.
where does this money come from? The taxpayer.
Who gets it? The baby? no, the baby has a bond.
the parents? no, the parents get the baby.
the government? no, they issue the bond.

How about the financial institutions that underwrite the bond.

Do I get $5000, I was born once.

the math
300M people in the US
4M babies/year
1 baby per 75 people
only about half of the people, say 40, are actually in the workforce.
$5k/40=$125 each worker must come up with to pay for this plan.

This is an incentive to overpopulate and further exacerbate the problems we already have.

What is wrong with this woman?

[emersonbiggins]

Of course, silly trivialities like energy costs never inhibit people from moving further out of the dark, evil cities (and never will, right?).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')uel costs take toll on outer-tier suburbs
Not everyone agrees, however. Some officials blame the soft housing market, but Realtors' groups insist that is not a factor.
By PAUL LEVY, Star Tribune December 15, 2007 - 12:26 AM
East Bethel's population has grown more than 20 percent since 2000, but that spurt apparently has run out of gas. And that's fuel for thought for those paying attention to the pumps, East Bethel's finance director says.
It's the price of fuel and commuting, and not just the housing market, that's choking the Twin Cities' outer-tier suburbs, East Bethel finance director Bob Sundberg said recently. Unpredictable gas prices and unforgiving stop-and-go roadways have kept potential commuters from moving farther away from Minneapolis and St. Paul, he said.

Officials from other suburbs blame the housing market, and representatives from Realtors associations throughout the metro area say they have not heard of gas prices hurting the housing market. ...
"In bedroom communities like ours, where there are few places to work, people commute to Minneapolis or St. Paul and are paying more than $6 a day for gas for their commute -- and some are paying a lot more," Sundberg said.
"We're geared up for fast growth, but right now we have empty lots instead of new homes, and the price of gas has a lot to do with it." ...
Neither does Ron Covert, CEO of the Southern Twin Cities Association of Realtors. Nor does Patrick Ruble, a official with the St. Paul Area Association of Realtors. "For everyone, gas prices and transportation are issues," Ruble said. "But I have not heard one Realtor tell me they were having problems selling houses because of gas prices." ...
Star-Tribune

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')In bedroom communities like ours, where there are few places to work, people commute to Minneapolis or St. Paul and are paying more than $6 a day for gas for their commute -- and some are paying a lot more," Sundberg said.

[kpeavey]

With fuel prices climbing, I would expect similar situations in and around every metropolitan area in the world. The longer we have to keep the pressure going, the more people will be herded into the cities and out of the suburbs. City living is more energy efficient than suburban living.
Around these forums we have predicted this would occur.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're geared up for fast growth

[efarmer]

People in the sales business to my experience always say things are just fine when they are in the tank, and that things are just OK when they are on fire. Who would wish to be represented by or buy at or near asking price from a person or firm who is just barely getting along? This is another query scenario like asking the Saudi's how much oil is left in the kingdom.

[Plantagenet]

"If you want less of something, tax it"
---basic government credo
The higher energy costs are an "unofficial" tax on the gas necessary for long car commutes. Of course we are going to see less and less long distance commuting as gas prices continue to rise.

[Keith_McClary]

Whatever happened to that "housing bubble" we were doomerizing about back in March 2005?