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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 02:08:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')It's all about them evil "crackers," who he curses from the blissfully black-free community he chose to move to. Did someone mention hypocrite?


Yes there are tons of decent black people. But do you want to go live in the middle of 'em? The liberals sure don't seem to.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 03:38:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')1. The war was about whether or not a state had the right to succeed from the Union. The answer was NO.

2. The million slaves in the "Union" were in Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri, West Virginia, and Delaware.

Border States

The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in states that the Union did not control. Why? To undermine the Confederate Economy, of course!

However, freeing the slaves in the border states BEFORE a definitive Union victory could have encouraged some of the border states to swap sides.

Freeing slaves was a nice idea but not vital to the national defense of the Union in 1863.

But Missouri, Kentucky, and obviously Maryland, were critical to the national security of the Union.

Those slaves had to wait an extra 2 years for their freedom but it did come.


So it wasn't about slavery after all.

So why did the war occur?

On edit: Maybe you don't know, but Wikipedia is a much discredited source of information, especially on anything political, social or economic. Good for trivial popular culture history and stuff but that's all.


As I said before, the war was about whether or not a state could legally succeed from the union.

The answer was NO.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your question. Do you have some other conspiracy theory about why the war was fought?
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Andrew_S » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 08:53:45

If the thread starter tells us to shut up about the Civil War, so be it.
That War is just one facet of the whole phenomenon of race relations in the U.S.A. That's why it has some relevance to this topic.

The former existence of slavery is a major basis for the accusation that all Whites of all generations are "guilty" and Blacks thereby are owed for ever and a day. Of course, the MSM has little to say about the indentured labourers who made up much of the White immigrant population, I believe.
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')As I said before, the war was about whether or not a state could legally succeed from the union.

The answer was NO.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your question. Do you have some other conspiracy theory about why the war was fought?

I don't know any "conspiracy theory" whatever that's supposed to be.

I'm interested in the root causes. Okay so the question of secession is given as the main reason. (Was secession constitutional or not by the way?)

How did it become an issue? Why did the southern states feel so bad about the Union that they decided to secede. And how and why did such circumstances arise and who caused it?

I haven't yet tried to study this war seriously but I'm interested in the root causes, and as usual the MSM portrayal is superficial and misleading.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:05:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')eah Eli, Grant should have marched west from Atlanta and burned that state to ground before its spawned the likes of Big Joe, Lyndon Johnson, and GW Bush. criminals all of them.


For some reason I seem to hate Texans. Always have & I'm not sure why?
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:11:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'F')or fuck's sake, enough with the Civil goddamn War! Can we please leave the 19th century and enter the 21st?

Look, these two scumbags had it coming. I'm not going to lose any sleep over their extinction and neither should anyone else, excepting anti-white racists and white self-loathers, who can't be pleased anyway, so fuck 'em. Pstarr, have you ever spoken out for the thousands of innocent whites killed and raped by racist blacks every year? Or are you just another garden variety progressive hypocrite? Wait wait, let me guess :roll:

Despite ILP's crass outbursts, not all black people are criminals. There are millions of decent black Americans, and if anything, they suffer disproportionately from black crime. But liberal jackasses like pstarr can't be bothered to think about real victims, even the black ones. It's all about them evil "crackers," who he curses from the blissfully black-free community he chose to move to. Did someone mention hypocrite?

As for black-on-white crimes, the statistics speak for themselves. There has been a clear targeting of whites by blacks when it comes to violent crime, particularly rape, but also murder, assault, and robbery. Anyone with a functional brain (i.e., not an idiot PC liberal) knows this. Joe Horn knew this and prepared accordingly. He lived, the poor innocent criminal scumbags didn't. Boo fucking hoo.


What if these "scumbags" were your own kids?
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Eli » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:15:33

Everybody has there own prejudices, sometimes they are hard to explain.

There certainly is a certain kind of Texas pride and attitude that you run into from time to time that can be offensive.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:18:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'E')verybody has there own prejudices, sometimes they are hard to explain.

There certainly is a certain kind of Texas pride and attitude that you run into from time to time that can be offensive.


Where does that come from, this Texas "pride"?
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Eli » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:29:06

I am really not sure, but it is there , remember the Texas state tourism slogan? It was "Texas it is like a whole nother country".
The history of the state has a lot to do with it, Texas Rangers, Sam Houston, Cowboys oilmen all that jazz.

You also can't escape "everything is bigger in Texas". I personally don't find any of this offensive but I can see how some people would.

You see a lot of prejudice between Texans and people on the East Coast and it is a two way street. Also the further North you go you see the same thing. The vast differences in accents does not help. Someone with a thick Texas accent immediately sounds like an idiot hick to a Northerner.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:31:51

"The lone Star State"

What's this garbage?
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Eli » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:36:35

Texas was an independent country from the US for a little while.

Texas Revolution
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:38:49

Texas Rules...... :razz:

Be advised: The "He needed killin'" defense is valid here.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Eli » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 11:52:00

You have to remember Texas has a huge independence streak.

It is after all still a place where it is popular to have a gun rack in your truck. You can legal drive around with a loaded 30.06 no permit needed.

I know people don't like it but Joe Horn never actually broke any Texas laws.
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 12:23:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'O')n balance, the world is better off with 2 fewer criminals...

However, deadly force was probably not necessary.

He could have just badly wounded one of them and scared both of them off his property.

I'd have to hear all of the details to make an informed decision about the matter.


Hear all the details and make an informed decision? It sounds like you just wanna be different? Is that it, Tyler? ; - )
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Re: Joe Horn needs our support

Unread postby Eli » Mon 17 Dec 2007, 12:27:07

Reading around the net, it looks like there are conflicting reports of what happened. Some reports are coming out that say these two were shot in the back, if that is the case Joe Horn should go up on charges.

Joe Horn case

He still might not have broken any Texas laws, but shooting them in the back as they were running away would be murder as I have said before.
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