[DrBang]

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One of the more disgraceful parts of Australian history is how we have treated our Veitnam Veterans. The following PDF which was sent to me is in the same vein. While it reflects the US side of things and not the Australian armed forces casualties, I was most shocked.

I disagree with the Iraq war. That being said, my issue is with the politicans who sent us their. Not the soldiers. If I thought it necessary, I would be lining up to defend my country. I would depend on the people around me in the trench (so to speak) as my life is in their hands. I give them the respect that they are due and expect it in return. The misquoting of casualties is sick and disrespectful to the soldiers and their familes.

As for the number of casualties, how many years have military operations have been going in Iraq? This does not suprise me.


http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf


12-11-7

Data from -
http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf

Since Gulf War 1, 73,846 US TROOPS DEAD (near top of page 6)

1,620,906 PERMANENTLY DISABLED (near top of page 7) [/align]
[align=center]US DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS ISSUES OFFICIAL REPORT CONFIRMING 73,000 U.S. TROOPS KILLED IN IRAQ SAME GOVERNMENT AGENCY REPORT CONFIRMS 1.6 MILLION "DISABLED" BY THE WAR [/align]

From Peter Marshall E. Boomhower
eboomhower@juno.com

George Walker Bush has presided over the worst defeat of the United States Military since Vietnam and has deliberately skewed reporting of the deaths and injuries to conceal the facts.

Department of Veteran's Affairs, in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has released the truth because they need the American People to know our military is literally, destroyed.

They cannot release these horrific numbers via the chain of command because they are under orders to conceal the truth at all costs, so they let slip a report which now cannot be "un-slipped."

Here are the facts and a link to the government source to prove these facts:
More Gulf War Veterans Have Died Than Vietnam Veterans.
The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans
Information System reports the following:

Total U.S. Military Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 3 Deaths: 73,846
* Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
* Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999
Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874
Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
* Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
* Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

Percentage of combat troops who filed Disability Claims 36%
Soldiers, by nature, typically don't complain. They don't want to be perceived (by idiots) as being weak, or complainers, or looking to get out of work/danger. In other words, the real impact of those who are disabled from the US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other Nations, is not fully reflected in the official Veterans Affairs numbers.

Why are the government numbers of 3,777 as of 9-7-7 are so low? The answer is simple, the government does not want the 73,846 dead U.S. soldiers killed in the Gulf to date to be compared to the 55,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Vietnam, lest we all conclude Iraq = Vietnam.

What the government is doing is only counting the soldiers that die in action before they can get them into a helicopter or ambulance. Any soldier who is shot but they get into a helicopter before he dies is not counted.

73,846 dead U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high - we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.

More than 1,820 tons (3-million, 640 thousand pounds) of radio-active nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armor piercing rounds and bunker busters, representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster ever. 64 kg of uranium were used in the Hiroshima bomb. The U.S. Iraq Nuclear Holocaust represents far more than fourteen thousand Hiroshima atomic bombs.

That's 14,000.

The nuclear waste the U.S. has exploded into the Middle East will continue killing for BILLIONS of years and can wipe out more than a third of life on earth. Gulf War Veterans who have ingested the uranium will continue to die off over a number of years.

From a victors perspective, above any major war in history, The Gulf War has taken the severest toll on soldiers.

So far, more than one million people have been slaughtered in the illegal invasion of Iraqi by the U.S.. This is genocide of the highest order.

Iraqi birth defects are up 600% - the same will apply to U.S. Veterans.

Statistics and evidence published by the government and mainstream media in no way reflect the extreme gravity of the situation.

Those working for the government and media must wake up and take responsibility for immediately reversing this U.S. Holocaust. Understanding who is manipulating all of us is critical for all of us.
For those of you who doubt the veracity of this story, who naively believe it can't be true because if it were true, you would have heard it from the government or from the main stream media, can see the proof yourselves directly from the United States Department of Veteran's Affairs web site -Source:
http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf
This story is 100% accurate. 100% true. 100% verifiable.
From the bottom of page 9:

1. The total number of service members ever identified by DoD with possible low-level chemical warfare agent exposure serving in units in the hazard areas at or near Khamisiyah, Iraq is 145,472 as of June 30, 2006.

In this report, VBA displayed compensation and pension statistics on 145,456 service members. VA and DoD have completed their fourth quarter 2006 review of service member records. However, there is a possibility of future changes, if needed, based on further review by DoD.
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[americandream]

Cannon fodder for the elite.

Pass me the caviar dahling.

I hear that Jeeve's son has volunteered for the war. Spiffing fellow considering our little Lord Fauntleroy is otherwise indisposed having a ball.

[Micki]

Without having read the report I taking a stab that this still excludes security contractors (mercenaries) like blackwater.
These are generally not counted as soldiers and would therefore be in civilian death counts.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ince Gulf War 1, 73,846 US TROOPS DEAD (near top of page 6)

[Madpaddy]

Mekrob,

You forgot about Gulf War 1.5 which took place in Hogwarts between 29th and 34th February 1998.2. Alot of the inexpicable casualty figures are from that little reported but gruesome conflict.

Seriously though, good analysis and thrashing of the original post. I certainly agree that casualty figures from the Gulf Wars have probably been dressed up to hide the true toll. Deaths due to injuries received in Iraq but which took place Stateside or in Ramstein in Germany for example not being counted as Iraq combat deaths. However, two misrepresentations of the facts from opposing viewpoints don't an accurate presentation make.

Good on you for a reasoned and logical response.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')eaths due to injuries received in Iraq but which took place Stateside or in Ramstein in Germany for example not being counted as Iraq combat deaths

[DrBang]

If it turns out my post is incorrect or mis quoted, I will take my flaming and even say thank you.

The way the media quotes the numbers is that something like 3000 soldiers have lost their lives. A figure 20 times that blew me away.

Australia copped a lot of flak from all over the world because we stood up for the US in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

The number of casualties we have sustained is very small. For a long time it was 0 (zero) in Afghanistan but now its up to 4 or 5. In Iraq I am unsure at this time what it is but I think its is even lower. Every time we do get a casualty, the Australian public take strong interest and want to know why/how and could it have been avoided.

Seeing the number 70K+ dead made me sit back. Nothing gets my goat quicker than seeing our vets crapped on. US veterans and how they are treated are kind of seen as a related issue.

I guess this comes down to the scales. If I misquoted I apologize.

Dr Bang