[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', 'Y')all have no clue how intense this is going to get.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Tyler - besides AP - you post some of the most assinine stuff here.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')nd those of us who WANTED to become engineers, nope, first it takes a ton of money to get through college and then you can't get it if you're white.

[I_Like_Plants]

no jbeckton you're full of shit.

First, there was such a thing as a GI Bill, bully for you. Secondly, you probably got pay+food at that restaurant, restaurant jobs are not without their frills, they are generally good jobs even table busser.

Which is why whites are not allowed to get those jobs where I was going to college. OR trying to.

If I'd been smart enough to move to an all-white area, I'd have tons better. I just had no idea. I worked my ass off cleaning out animal cages and mopping floors at a veterinarian's for $4 an hour because that's the only kind of jobs a white could get - I was damned glad to have it.

Now you say you're teaching classes for plant workers and linemen? Give out some info here, some links, see if I don't show up.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'n')o jbeckton you're full of shit.

First, there was such a thing as a GI Bill, bully for you. Secondly, you probably got pay+food at that restaurant, restaurant jobs are not without their frills, they are generally good jobs even table busser.

Which is why whites are not allowed to get those jobs where I was going to college. OR trying to.

If I'd been smart enough to move to an all-white area, I'd have tons better. I just had no idea. I worked my ass off cleaning out animal cages and mopping floors at a veterinarian's for $4 an hour because that's the only kind of jobs a white could get - I was damned glad to have it.

Now you say you're teaching classes for plant workers and linemen? Give out some info here, some links, see if I don't show up.

[I_Like_Plants]

Rocco - I'm not going to be that harsh.

a lot of these old guys don't realize that what was easy-peasy in their day is hard as fuck to even try to do now. I spent too many years wondering what was wrong with ME, working my ass off, begging to a non-white for financial aid of which I got the tiniest sliver, weighing well UNDER the healthy BMI range, trying to get a degree. There was no car to give up, no cell phone to give up, I was living a life that was nothing but work eat (not enough really to eat, just the bare necessity to maintain life) and study, and that's how it is now.

That's not how it was then, and talking to one of these old fucks who lived in a USA that's only a memory now is like trying to explain it to a bag of hammers.

A lot of "how things are" is learned at the gut level, and in one's childhood and young adulthood. We were in a repression during those times for me, and discrimination against whites was extreme. Looking back, I wish I'd had the guts/insanity to learn the old slash throat silently and clean out pockets routine, that many less nonwhites....

As for the "state exam" that sounds like the PE or Professional Engineer exam, and that thing's a bitch. Most engineers don't bother, since only Civil Engineers actually need it. The ones who aren't Civil Engineers who take it often do so to have one more hard-won piece of paper on the wall, generally consultants.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'R')occo - I'm not going to be that harsh.

a lot of these old guys don't realize that what was easy-peasy in their day is hard as fuck to even try to do now.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')
Yes, Roccman doesn't seem to have much of a grasp on what the PE exam is (among other things). I am a ME, so the license is basically useless to me unless I wish to do consulting later in my career.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', ' ')restaurant jobs are not without their frills, they are generally good jobs even table busser.

Which is why whites are not allowed to get those jobs where I was going to college. OR trying to.
If I'd been smart enough to move to an all-white area, I'd have tons better. I just had no idea. I worked my ass off cleaning out animal cages and mopping floors at a veterinarian's for $4 an hour because that's the only kind of jobs a white could get

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Translation: "I was not smart enough to pass, but because I am about to get fired because I am an ass hole...I'll take it...even if it is useless to pass."

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Translation: "I was not smart enough to pass, but because I am about to get fired because I am an ass hole...I'll take it...even if it is useless to pass."

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')A ceasefire might be in order.

[I_Like_Plants]

Um, Beckton, any and I mean ANY wages made are taken out of financial aid. Minimum was $3.35 an hour. I got lucky enough to get $4.

No one, NO ONE, pays a white college student $10 an hour. Not unless you were in a nice all-white area, this is why I'm not just flat-out accusing you of hallucinating.

An internship paying $20 an hour that allows you go to to school? I really want to call bullshit on that because the only fellow student I saw getting a deal that sweet was a nigger. It was specifically niggers only.

But, as I'll keep on saying, the OVERALL problem was my not being nearly racially-minded enough, not getting myself to the whitest area I could find as soon as possible and going to school THERE.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')No one, NO ONE, pays a white college student $10 an hour. Not unless you were in a nice all-white area, this is why I'm not just flat-out accusing you of hallucinating.

[TWilliam]

I find it amusing that in this (nominal) discussion about the need for 'infrastructure' workforce, the main thing anyone's talking about is 'linemen' and 'powerplant operators'. These are not the kind of 'infrastructure' jobs that are really the issue here. The problem is REBUILDING and REPLACING infrastructure, not to mention the complete re-creation of the industries needed to SUPPORT such projects, and these are the areas where the REAL need is going to show, especially when cheap, readily available fossil fuel energy becomes scarce.

Spend some time digging up and watching some of the PBS and History Channel shows about the various Depression era public works projects - Boulder Dam, the Tennessee Valley Authority, major bridges, that sorta stuff - and pay close attention to what it was actually like WORKING on these projects, and then come talk to us about how 'easy' it will be to 'retrain' the current 'workforce' and how 'eager' people will be to participate.

[gnm]

Yeah but "lineman" sounds so much better than "brutal shovel work"

-G

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '2')) Skilled labor is leaving the work force

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'I') find it amusing that in this (nominal) discussion about the need for 'infrastructure' workforce, the main thing anyone's talking about is 'linemen' and 'powerplant operators'. These are not the kind of 'infrastructure' jobs that are really the issue here. The problem is REBUILDING and REPLACING infrastructure, not to mention the complete re-creation of the industries needed to SUPPORT such projects, and these are the areas where the REAL need is going to show, especially when cheap, readily available fossil fuel energy becomes scarce.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'W')ell, I don't think that fossil fuel energy will become scarce anytime soon so we have a fundamental disagreement.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '2')) Skilled labor is leaving the work force