[Polemic]

There's something to this. I'm beginning to realize how the 4 root canals I have, three of which (in one quadrant of my mouth) abscess regularly and are about to be pulled, have contributed to my feeling of general malaise over the last decade.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he gist of the research and of the thousands of animal studies is this: That root-canal-filled teeth always remain infected no matter how good they might look or how good they might feel.

.... Price found that the challenge of a changed environment actually caused the organisms to become more virile and their toxins much more toxic. It will interest you to know that this discovery of Dr. Price's was confirmed in recent times by a German oncologist named Dr. Josef Issel. He was able to identify these toxins and found them to be closely related to the same chemicals used by the Germans in World War I to make mustard gas.

[Polemic]

A little bit more to pique your interest:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne is the fact that 25 to 30 percent of people seem to get along with root-canal-filled teeth for many years without any detrimental effects. Dr. Price studied that very problem. He found that those people who had no history of degenerative diseases usually had strong immune systems which were capable of engulfing any bacteria present and prevented them from becoming sick. However, Price found that if these same people suffered a severe accident, a bad case of the flu or some serious stress problem, their immune systems that had been protecting them would become so compromised that they would then become ill with a degenerative disease.

What about the 70 percent of our people who have poorer immune systems to start with? Price found -- and we are finding today -- that they develop degenerative diseases much sooner, many of them right after completion of the root canal treatment.

The endodontists' efforts to save teeth are desirable and admirable, but in their enthusiasm for saving teeth they too often lose the patient. They cite numbers of studies that they believe establish the efficacy of root canal treatment but they never mention the bacteria in the dental tubules. It they want to deny the finding of Dr. Price in this regard, it behooves them to come up with peer review research to prove his findings are inaccurate. Their assertion that this is "old research that has been disproved" is only a statement -- a statement without scientific backing.

[Kingcoal]

I think that this is more of an immune system problem than a root canal problem. I had a lot of health problems until I started eating right and taking the following supplements daily:

Vitamin E - promotes tissue regeneration
Vitamin D - anti inflammatory
EDTA - the best blood thinner available, acts like draino for arterial plaque
Vitamin B17 - Kills cancer cells and other foreign parasites
Coconut Oil - antibacterial/antifungal

In addition to that, I'm a voracious tea drinker. I have several root canals and the problems with my teeth stopped when I started drinking a gallon or so of fresh brewed tea everyday. Since then, I've read that black tea contains chemicals that inhibit bacteria growth. Ever since I started drinking tea every day, I haven't had any dental problems. In fact, my dentist regularly comments on how my gums don't recede and there is no aditional decay (while he is lecturing about flossing.)

Since I've been on this program, I lost 35lb, people tell me I look 35 (instead of 45) and I feel better than I did at 25.

[dukey]

if you get absesses from your root canal, it needs to be seen to, either get the tooth pulled or the root canal done again.

As for doctor prices work, it was done at a time when people didn't have composite fillings. Even today occasionally they use amalgam :S for to fill the roots. Seeing as how amalgam doesn't even chemically bond to the tooth it's impossible to seal the root properly, not to mention the mercury poisoning from the amalgam. I can imagine the combination of having an infected tooth plus mercury poisoning would make people pretty sick.

[blukatzen]

I have had root canals done in '03 and I feel well, however, I DO have to take care of them fairly well, however, I do not use flouride products. My dentist wanted me to use an extra-flouride toothpaste you have to get at the office that made my teeth HURT!!

I promptly stopped the useage and cut out sugar as much as possible. (use stevia in the ice tea, and I grow stevia in the summer and put it in ice-t jars in the fridge until the tea is saturated with their sweetness.) Try it.

I think this trouble started, for most of us, with the nonstop development of the dental industry.
I had problems when I was in grade school back in the 60's, and remember a program where we had to sit with some strawberry-flavored goop inserted inside some plastic gizmo we wore in our mouths for 1/2 hour or so(?) for about 6 months. (we did this once a week, IIRC). This was a program sponsored by our school district and was mandated as some sort of program that was going to help prevent cavaties.

Most of my cohorts still went, as I did, for many fillings, which of course, meant drilling into healthy tooth areas because you had to anchor in the metal amalgam. I think it was in early college years back in the late 70's that I was told that I had to have 6 of my teeth pulled due to having too many "teeth for the size of my jaw".

After having braces in my 20's to move the teeth back into alignment, the dentist told me that I would probably have to have root canals done in my mid-40's (boy, he was right on target) due to the fact of the bands on my back teeth for a year and a half. It sets up bacteria that seem to set in, and it takes a while to do it's worse...
There's a whole generation of us that had braces. Now there's a whole generation of us that are getting our metal amalgams out, and having root canals put in.

We were doomed from the get-go when we got on the roller coaster ride of having our teeth chipped away for those damn metal amalgams. It's quietly affected our health, our nervous systems, our immune systems for years, and will continue to do so.

Now I use baking soda and salt or toothpaste w/out flouride (usually found in a European store that imports such stuff). I use a concentrated mouthwash with an herbal base from Europe too (German called "Odol"). You put a few drops into water and swish it around. Not as caustic as Listerine, and I have been having no problems.

I bought a few planers and scrape my own tartar off my teeth. (not that I have a lot of it, but just as certain areas.) I do this every 4-6 months or so.

I too, drink a lot of tea, so I hope it helps. And I am big on vitamins as well, and eating a good diet.

I hate doctors like some people hate lawyers, but I'll tell you, my experiences made me hate dentists more...what a RACKET.

Blu

[threadbear]

I know people who have had several rootcanals reworked to the tune of umpteen thousands of dollars, and of course all of their mercury amalgam fillings pulled out. I find it all very suspicious, having read a bit about it. It sounds like a make work project for dentists.

If you have reoccuring infection from root canals I would think you would have some soreness, swelling or inflammation in that localized area of your tooth. It sounds like bullshit to me. Same as colon cleansing. And btw, I'm big into natural health and herbs, vitamins, etc...

[jasonraymondson]

This may sound strange.

Until I was 23 I had never used toothpaste (I used baking soda and peroxide) Never once did I have any problems with my teeth and not so much as a single cavity. After i was 23 I started using an ADA approved toothpaste and I noticed a couple years ago that there was something wrong with my teeth. I started getting cavities and had to have 4 wisdom teeth removed. I switched back to baking solda and peroxide 9 months ago and since then I have not had any more problems with my teeth.

[blukatzen]

[quote="threadbear"]I know people who have had several rootcanals reworked to the tune of umpteen thousands of dollars, and of course all of their mercury amalgam fillings pulled out. I find it all very suspicious, having read a bit about it. It sounds like a make work project for dentists.[quote]

Hey TB, read my post. I concur that it is truly "make-work" projects by these dentists. It seems that once you get on that toxic merry-go-round it is almost impossible (short of pulling all the teeth) to get some relief.
My adopted parents had all their natural teeth taken out (this was in the late 50's, early 60's, as that was the only relief it seemed back then if you had crammed teeth, that led to bad dental hygiene even IF you flossed. They wore false teeth, as I remember almost everyone in my parent's generation having, besides "bridges". When visiting my aunts, uncles, friend's parents, everyone had that "soak cup" with the pepsodent tablets. Remember THOSE commercials?

I think the diet has something to do with it, if you've ever read Weston A. Price and his studies on indigenous peoples and their response to a "Western style diet" (30's era, which we of today would probably still consider a "good diet" compared to today!)

Let's see, back in '03, I think I paid 750.00 per root canal, times 3, PLUS my dentist's bills, (removal of all mercury amalgams, (they were aging anyways, time to take them out) which was 3500.00. I got a discount cause' I was able to pay cash. That's a lot of payola.

It was a lot more PAIN. I remember when the dentist (who was very nice but I'll never go back to her) shot into the back of the right side of my lower jaw to numb things up for the work, and she unloaded the syringe into MY NERVE which in turn shot the fluid up the side of my head. I felt it go the side of my face into my temple. It was throbbing for 3 days. I did not have any work done that day, to boot, as I almost felt I had to go to the hospital.

I had the rest of the work done by someone else, not as young, but a much better in technique.

Did you know a lot of dental schools are closing as well?...

[threadbear]

Lots of work, and money Blu. I've only gone to the dentist maybe 6 times in 30 years. I brush and floss religiously. The last time I was at the dentist I got a perfect checkup. That was last year. I have to have a root canal replaced, but that's it.

The reason I don't go to the dentist more frequently is because I'm aware that if your teeth are in good shape, the real worry is gum disease and that's preventable, with flossing. I have a few friends who have had truly nightmare experiences with dentists and ongoing problems from bad work. I went to a dentist in Calgary in my twenties who drilled 3 holes in my teeth and then filled in the "cavities" and charged me. It bugged me because I was almost filling free, up until that point.

Also, I don't know about you, but dental hygienists REALLY get on my nerves. Passive aggressive obsessive compuslive nitwits who will floss your teeth to the bone, as a subtle form of torture, if you object to their dippy dental sermonizing.

[Pops]

Is there no end to the crap folks will throw at PO.com to dilute the risk we face via the topic of the site?

Or is this what the Open is for -- unending speculation about every comic book fantasy?

<bait>
Since foil has been getting expensive, I have been thinking lately the aliens may have implanted stuff in my root canals, anyone else think we should start a thread about the transmission from our faces to Andromeda or thereabouts?
</bait>

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Cripes.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')s there no end to the crap folks will throw at PO.com to dilute the risk we face via the topic of the site?

Or is this what the Open is for -- unending speculation about every comic book fantasy?

<bait>
Since foil has been getting expensive, I have been thinking lately the aliens may have implanted stuff in my root canals, anyone else think we should start a thread about the transmission from our faces to Andromeda or thereabouts?
</bait>

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Cripes.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')s there no end to the crap folks will throw at PO.com to dilute the risk we face via the topic of the site?

Or is this what the Open is for -- unending speculation about every comic book fantasy?

<bait>
Since foil has been getting expensive, I have been thinking lately the aliens may have implanted stuff in my root canals, anyone else think we should start a thread about the transmission from our faces to Andromeda or thereabouts?
</bait>

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Oh thats not a conspiracy, that is a fact. You see the transmissions being sent and intermediate intervals and I was finally able to decipher the message and It told me to kill my cat.



Cripes.

[smallpoxgirl]

My $0.02 is that dentist, like doctors, are best avoided if at all possible. I've had one dental cleaning in the last eight years. Haven't had any dental problems during that time. The one cleaning I did get was a part of getting my amalgam fillings removed. Amalgam does seem to me to be a bone a fide potential problem. Root canals? I dunno. Probably smarter to just get the tooth pulled if it's that messed up. Don't know about any "root canal conspiracy" though.

Everybody is looking to become a professional and cordon off all these little areas of magic that only they can do. Most of it's BS. If you want to install a fire alarm, you have to hire a licensed "professional" fire alarm installer. If you want to be dead, you have to hire a licensed "professional" mortician. Part of being a "professional" is trying to sell people a bunch of overpriced crap that they don't need and hiding information so they can't figure out that they don't need it. Of course morticians are going to try to sell you a $10,000 coffin with an inner spring mattress, embalming, flowers, a string quartet, etc. Of course a fire alarm installer is going to try to charge you $10,000 for a basic fire alarm. Dentists are no different. Pad the bill. Hide the info. If someone does question you, claim professional expertise. I carried my dog to the vet for a UTI. I get the bill, and it's like $100 for the visit, the urine analysis, and the antibiotics. Then there's a $70 charge tacked on for glucosamine and chondrotin supplement to promote "urinary health". I almost hit the roof. Most people are happy to roll over like little lemmings and suck up whatever stupidity the "professionals" lay out. Root canals also feed into people's innate denial. It looks like your tooth, so why fret. Never mind that it's dead, it looks so natural. Just like Aunt Bessie after they pump her full of embalming fluid.

So, yeah...root canal conspiracy...not really. No more than there a "shock and strut" conspiracy amongst all the licensed "professional" car mechanics that try to sell you work you don't need.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')f you think that is "out there" you are way too far "in there", wherever that is. Maybe the great head up your own a** conspiracy! Forgive me. I couldn't resist.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')s there no end to the crap folks will throw at PO.com to dilute the risk we face via the topic of the site?

Or is this what the Open is for -- unending speculation about every comic book fantasy?

<bait>
Since foil has been getting expensive, I have been thinking lately the aliens may have implanted stuff in my root canals, anyone else think we should start a thread about the transmission from our faces to Andromeda or thereabouts?
</bait>


You really shouldn't attack our future Comander and Chief.




SmallPoxGirl. So are you going to be up to running as pops first mate?


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Cripes.

[Pops]

Certainly anything I might have said in the foregoing message should not be construed as contradictory to what Ms. SPG stated.



(one must always keep their options open)

[threadbear]

I don't trust ANYBODY's bullshit. I'm even questioning my own.

[eastbay]

I've only gone to the dentist maybe 6 times in 30 years. I brush and floss religiously. The last time I was at the dentist I got a perfect checkup. That was last year. I have to have a root canal replaced, but that's it.


Genetics.

[kadoomsoon]

Don't believe everything you hear on television.

[kadoomsoon]

Don't believe everything you see on television either.