[whatpeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'T')ake a look at my avatar. How can any man pick another mans hairy ass and balls over this beautiful creature ?

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whatpeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'T')ake a look at my avatar. How can any man pick another mans hairy ass and balls over this beautiful creature ?

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')I prefer lipstick lesbians. Not a big fan of dykes

[Troyboy1208]

Jesus Christ people we already had this discussion. Drop it already. The same people have the same opinions before. This is like a bad re-run

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'J')esus Christ people we already had this discussion. Drop it already. The same people have the same opinions before. This is like a bad re-run

[Plantagenet]

You have no need to apologize Mekrob. Its an interesting topic, and I've never seen it discussed here either.

I'm a bit surprised at your liberal, supportive attitude towards gay marriage. I thought Islamic Sharia law required that homosexuals be put to death.

They hang homosexuals in Iran (hence Admandinejab's hilarious claim that there were no homosexuals in Iran) and the religious and civil authorities behead gay people in Saudi Arabia, don't they? Wasn't there a Saudi Princess who was tried, convicted and publically beheaded in the town square for being a lesbian?

[Plantagenet]

Here's a recent case in the news:

"On the 2 October 2007 two young men in the Saudi Arabian city of Al-Bahah were reportedly convicted of 'sodomy' and sentenced to 7,000 lashes. In Saudi Arabia same-sex relations are illegal and the maximum penalty is death.

7,000 lashes can be fatal, depending on how many lashes are delivered at any one time."

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Are you really suggesting these two young men in Saudi Arabia be allowed to marry each other? And if so, do you think they should be allowed to marry before or after they are whipped to death for being homosexuals??

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I'm a bit surprised at your liberal, supportive attitude towards gay marriage.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 't')here is no crime for being a homosexual in Islam. There is a crime for homosexuality; there's a bit of a difference. I can know that a man is a homosexual but that does not mean that he's ever engaged in the crime of homosexual acts and therefore he's committed no crime. If you look carefully at "all" of the anti-homosexuality lines in the Qur'an (four), they all regard those that commit homosexual acts. There are plenty of people who are truly straight but they still have committed such acts.

Sure it seems unlikely that a man or woman would go their entire lives without having sex but if there's no proof, then no charges can be brought.

Secondly, there is the law of making sure that one is guilty of a crime. When it comes to sex, there are three main ways to offer evidence:

Pregnancy (not possible in this case...I hope)

Rape - In which the other "participant" in the homosexual act is able to testify against the perpetrator, in which case the rape charge will/should be superior to the homosexuality charge.

Witnesses - How often are you going to have 4 witnesses of high character witnesses an act like this? I'm going to guess...never, especially if they know what's at stake.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')asn't there a Saudi Princess who was tried, convicted and publically beheaded in the town square for being a lesbian? Cool

[I_Like_Plants]

I think there's a difference between what's covered under "homosexuality" in the West and in Moslem countries.

In the West, it generally means two same-sex people, adults, forming a relationship. Or dating or one-night-stands but basically it's between consenting adults.

In the Islamic world, it means an adult man raping a boy, it's essentially pedophilia. Yeah I know they'll crack down on an adult lesbian and all that too, but when the vast majority of it is man-on-boy rape, and very prevelent in that culture, it's no wonder the authorities take a dim view of it.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') think there's a difference between what's covered under "homosexuality" in the West and in Moslem countries.

In the West, it generally means two same-sex people, adults, forming a relationship. Or dating or one-night-stands but basically it's between consenting adults.

In the Islamic world, it means an adult man raping a boy, it's essentially pedophilia. Yeah I know they'll crack down on an adult lesbian and all that too, but when the vast majority of it is man-on-boy rape, and very prevelent in that culture, it's no wonder the authorities take a dim view of it.

[Plantagenet]

Its a nice idea that Islamic societies don't bother with consensual adult gay sex, but in reality they proscribe and severely punish all varieties of homosexuality by hanging, cutting off heads, whippings, stonings, etc.

For instance:

"On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s shari`a-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

“The execution of two men for consensual sexual activity is an outrage,” said Jessica Stern, researcher with the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights Program at Human Rights Watch. “The Iranian government’s persecution of gay men flouts international human rights standards.”

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I don't think you'll ever see a "Brokeback Mountain" movie made in Iran or other islamic country, unless it ends with the men being convicted of homosexuality and then executed.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') don't think you'll ever see a "Brokeback Mountain" movie made in Iran or other islamic country, unless it ends with the men being convicted of homosexuality and then executed.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')You obviously haven't seen the movie.

[Gandalf_the_White]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'C')ould it be that there is a certain element of homophobia (or more accurately, hatred of homosexuality in general) is behind their agenda?

Many heavily religious folks believe homosexuals are sinners. Some churches actually try to "convert" gays into heterosexuality via intensive propaganda.

The discussion of "protecting marriage" is just another attempt to disenfranchise homosexuals for no reason other than irrational hatred.

I am a federalist at heart and do not believe that the federal government should be actively interfering with something that is so clearly a states' issue. That means all the so-called conservatives clamoring for a federal Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage are completely off base.

^my two cents

[Gandalf_the_White]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')ts a nice idea that Islamic societies don't bother with consensual adult gay sex, but in reality they proscribe and severely punish all varieties of homosexuality by hanging, cutting off heads, whippings, stonings, etc.

For instance:

"On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s shari`a-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

“The execution of two men for consensual sexual activity is an outrage,” said Jessica Stern, researcher with the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights Program at Human Rights Watch. “The Iranian government’s persecution of gay men flouts international human rights standards.”

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I don't think you'll ever see a "Brokeback Mountain" movie made in Iran or other islamic country, unless it ends with the men being convicted of homosexuality and then executed.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', '.').. did you know there is an entire cadre of closeted Republican homosexuals who are egging the Administration on to attack Iran simply for the reason that these men have been so punished. They liken the issue to Hitler persecuting homosexuals during WWII. I'll bet you did not know, and that many did not think it was known, how close the Bush Administration actually is to the LGBT community, though mostly in secret. It's quite a big 'happy' family up there on the Hill, in the Grove.

[Gandalf_the_White]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', '.').. did you know there is an entire cadre of closeted Republican homosexuals who are egging the Administration on to attack Iran simply for the reason that these men have been so punished. They liken the issue to Hitler persecuting homosexuals during WWII. I'll bet you did not know, and that many did not think it was known, how close the Bush Administration actually is to the LGBT community, though mostly in secret. It's quite a big 'happy' family up there on the Hill, in the Grove.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') don't think you'll ever see a "Brokeback Mountain" movie made in Iran or other islamic country, unless it ends with the men being convicted of homosexuality and then executed.

[threadbear]

Gandalf, Just off the top of my head--Karl Rove, Condalizard, Bush--(bi, if not gay) Rumsfeld--swishy grandmotherly affect. Got anymore? Not complaining, just outlining that the most intolerant, family friendly bunch are really gay. The louder people seem to shout and protest about it, the more homophobic they seem to be.