Am curious about how long it will take oil shortages to impact consumers, what the leading indicators will be (beyond the obvious one of lack of oil for refineries), etc. How low will imports have to descend before we have to tap the SPR - and what kind of justification for that could the President offer? If finished products were rationed out, how much time could that buy for mitigation plans to be drawn up?
Been reading about the 1973 oil crisis, and wondered much time it took for the announcement of the embargo and actual shortages to appear - pretty fast, it seems. I notice OPEC played favorites, too:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he embargo was not uniform across Europe. Of the nine members of the European Economic Community (EEC), the Dutch faced a complete embargo for their support of Israel, the United Kingdom and France received almost uninterrupted supplies (having refused to allow America to use their airfields and embargoed arms and supplies to both the Arabs and the Israelis), whilst the other six faced only partial cutbacks.
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Timeline for fuel shortages
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Timeline for fuel shortages
by TheDude » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 18:02:54
Maybe they'll go easy on us this time. MAD, you know.
I've noticed a few other timeline subjects here, such as Timeline for collapse (thuja's first post!), and Jack's bit of creative writing, A Doomer’s Midsummer Nightmare, which you Cornies will be sure to snigger at:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s summer 2007 began, gasoline hit $6.00 a gallon; even at that price, it wasn’t always available. Perhaps more problematic were the rolling blackouts in California, resulting in large economic losses and frayed nerves. Nationally, crime increased as desperate people tried to survive price increases for food, gasoline, electricity, and other needs. In formerly middle class households, discretionary income had become a mere memory. Food banks could not keep up with demand, and social services of every sort failed.
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Re: Timeline for fuel shortages
by Pixie » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 18:51:10
I doubt that the SPR will be used to mitigate a long term oil decline. The SPR is only useful for SHORT term shortfalls, not a long term slide. It's not nearly big enough to mitigate a shortfall that aint ever getting better.
If you ask me, the main purpose for the SPR is war. The SPR is a temporary supply to be used to conduct a war in case we are ever embargoed again. Like food and water stockpiled inside a medieval castle.
If you ask me, the main purpose for the SPR is war. The SPR is a temporary supply to be used to conduct a war in case we are ever embargoed again. Like food and water stockpiled inside a medieval castle.
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Re: Timeline for fuel shortages
by Pixie » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 19:07:16
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')I've noticed a few other timeline subjects here, such as Timeline for collapse (thuja's first post!), and Jack's bit of creative writing, A Doomer’s Midsummer Nightmare, which you Cornies will be sure to snigger at:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s summer 2007 began, gasoline hit $6.00 a gallon; even at that price, it wasn’t always available. Perhaps more problematic were the rolling blackouts in California, resulting in large economic losses and frayed nerves. Nationally, crime increased as desperate people tried to survive price increases for food, gasoline, electricity, and other needs. In formerly middle class households, discretionary income had become a mere memory. Food banks could not keep up with demand, and social services of every sort failed.
')I've noticed a few other timeline subjects here, such as Timeline for collapse (thuja's first post!), and Jack's bit of creative writing, A Doomer’s Midsummer Nightmare, which you Cornies will be sure to snigger at:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s summer 2007 began, gasoline hit $6.00 a gallon; even at that price, it wasn’t always available. Perhaps more problematic were the rolling blackouts in California, resulting in large economic losses and frayed nerves. Nationally, crime increased as desperate people tried to survive price increases for food, gasoline, electricity, and other needs. In formerly middle class households, discretionary income had become a mere memory. Food banks could not keep up with demand, and social services of every sort failed.
Multiply Jack's timeline by 2.5 and I still bet it's fairly accurate. Add in a few select locations on the globe where hydro, wind, nuclear or solar provide a continuing semblance of civilization, at least until the reservoirs silt in, the u238 stops flowing and the solar panels and turbines break down.
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