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Re: Foreign Paper that attacks US policy

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 01 Dec 2007, 22:35:31

Can't forget this one either for an unbiased report from a typical and (soon to be) mainstream Latin American perspective.
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Re: Foreign Paper that attacks US policy

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 01 Dec 2007, 22:43:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'j')ournalism isn't about attacking or defending, it's about reporting. You do have columns in papers that might be more offensive on American policy but in general journalists should and do refrain from judgement. Ofcourse in some backward countries objective reporting and opinion are more and more the same.


To subtract meaning and context from "the facts" isn't actually objective. It can just as easily be used to subvert understanding as the most screeching sloganeering. Fox news can be appreciated because it it clearly propaganda. BBC, CBC, and all of the mainstream American networks, because they are beholden to govt. or corporations, put up an appearance of objectivity, but they clearly aren't.

There is a strong role for advocacy journalism. The best we can do are sites like Counterpunch, which is funded by foundations that are pro corporate, so they also, only ever go so far. A litmus test for how objective any news source is is the question of the murder of JFK. Alexander Cockburn goes ballistic on this issue. He's a lone gunman supporter and you will NEVER read anything about either Kennedy conspiracy or 911 on his site, though he regularly rips Israel through the shredder sideways.

Both the msm and alternative media are controlled by elite forces, so they will only go so far.

Online journal is an exception as are other online sites. DailyKos is run by a guy who attended CIA training school. How far does he go on 911? Is it subject to debate on his site, or simply verboten? "What really happened" is a really helpful site.

Asiatimesonline is sophisticated, intellectual--very helpful economic insight scrubbed free of American free market triumphalism. It also was one of the first to report Peak Oil.

Scotsman--pretty good. The Guardian-not bad.
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Re: Foreign Paper that attacks US policy

Unread postby virgincrude » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 04:59:59

Thanks Threadbear for a good, clear post!

Spot on.

Now, let's see, where are the journalistic values Bas states as a prerequisite for reporting, in the current hullaballoo over Barak Obama being a 'closet' Muslim .....? (hint: it's all based on lies, however, it will damage his chances sufficiently and ensure the pre-selected candidate Clinton makes it to the finish line.) After all, this is the WaPo stirring up non--existent dirt.


"Greg Sargent, who notes that the Post reporter who wrote the article (Perry Bacon) admitted afterwards, in a statement, that the accusations he passed on against Obama are false, explained the obvious:
[T]he problem here is that WaPo, and not just Obama, should have "denied the accuracy" of the Obama-is-a-Muslim nonsense. The Obama Muslim smear is based on lies, not "rumors." Bacon in his statement above calls the Obama Muslim smears "falsehoods." But they aren't identified as such in the piece. That's what everyone is yelling about."
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