[pilferage]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SD_Scott', 'H')e's dead wrong on that stuff. It's not in Europe's interest to see the US economy fail. We fail, They fail. Global supply chain dude.

[maverickdoc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pilferage', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SD_Scott', 'H')e's dead wrong on that stuff. It's not in Europe's interest to see the US economy fail. We fail, They fail. Global supply chain dude.

[hoplite]

Our fates are tied no matter what you think the most likely economic meltdown scenario precipitates it. When the US Economy collapses, we'll take ASia and Europe with us, even if it means military action to knock them down a peg or two. You KNOW we're capable of such things. When the petrodollar to Euro conversion occurs, here's my most likely scenario (since we're all playing armchair quarterback here):

Russia starves
Chinese growth goes negative, China starves
Japanese growth goes negative, Japan starves
Dubya declares martial law "this would be easy if I was the dictator"!!
I wouldnt be surprised if we "nationalized" (lol) Mexico's, Venezuela's and Canada's oil fields!

And, we'll turn off the internet.

And, just ONE of our Los Angeles class subs can launch 12 MIRVS with 7 warheads each, that means whole continents can cease to be a problem with the flick of a switch!

[WebHubbleTelescope]

I picked up on this bit of grapevine rumor from last May:

Apparently, Seymour Hersh will write on the oil industry as his next New Yorker expose.

I wonder what will happen when Hersh starts snooping around the oil industry backrooms. Maybe this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen he introduced them. "I said, 'This is Sy Hersh,' " Gelb recalls, and the spokesman "begins to tremble, physically tremble. Sy is reading a newspaper. [The spokesman] can't keep his eyes off him. He might as well have been Dracula."

[ONeil]

I've heard people make the case for demand destruction as we enter the time of peak oil. They seemed to think that it would lessen the effect of peak, or extend the plateau.

I was talking to a neighbor tonight about GWB and what he has lead the United States into. What if Bush is deliberately provoking the collapse so that we do get the demand destruction needed to extend the plateau?

[ozkrenske]

Hoplite,

You can turn off the internet or at least your little bit of it. Believe it or not the impact will not be that huge. About half the world will still work and will actually see a massive reduction in spam etc. ( Tell me why I keep getting US oriented offers for low home loans and an extra 2-3 inches for my girlfriend when I am so obviously not from the US. )

Secondly your talking Ohio class Boomers not LA class attack subs.

[ozkrenske]

Now as to the very interesting Idea's I see floated around both here and in many other forum's around the net.

What I am talking about are the related ideas of 'Well if the foreigners are stupid enough to take our debt then they can just take our funny money' and the idea of 'We'll just take the whole world down with us, militarily if not economically'.

My question is - Is the average US citizen truly as xenophobic, morally bankrupt and murderous as this fair portion of reactionary web forum participants illustrate? And are people aware of the effect such statements have on people in foreign countries?

All that these 'hysterically' voiced attitudes does, is act as propaganda for anti american forces around the world. For example in Egypt in 2000, I was asked to translate/confirm the contents of several web forums that were being spread around the streets. In Third world countries these downloads from the Web are considered gospel by the people in the street and are assumed to be the general beliefs of the people where the Forums are based. Even casual possibly humourously meant discussion of vindictive mass murder as a form of tearing everything down is not read nicely (as if it ever could) when seen in foreign countries.

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ernest', 'H')ersh was a great reporter thirty years ago, during the Vietnam war. He has since become a leftist apologist, crank, and doom sayer.

[threadbear]

Ayboob, Where's the fact you refer to in Ernest's post? It looks like a verbal land fill to me. I see no diamonds of fact scattered amond the slurry of lies and the moldering assumptions. If I'm wrong--please--fill ME in.

[Itch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y question is - Is the average US citizen truly as xenophobic, morally bankrupt and murderous as this fair portion of reactionary web forum participants illustrate? And are people aware of the effect such statements have on people in foreign countries?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t seems much worse than where I live.

[shortonoil]

Most people in my area are usually not unpleasent. If you can stand the plethora of redneck limos, gargantuan, energy consuming, horribly distastful homes that are inhabited by a bunch of totally self obsessed, self serving, nihilistic and completely cluesless people, it’s not bad

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US has very little to produce that other countries are going to purchase because of the devalued dollar.

[hoplite]

Ozrenske;
There are no Ohio class subs based in the Pacfic, only Los Angeles class.
Los Angeles class are fitted with MIRVS too (just not as many!) Get you facts straight before you spout off about scary American hardware.

I'm certain the US Govt. could easily turn the internet off worldwide if they put their mind to it. I betcha the US Military could turn off most satellites as well (or blow them away). Now, I know this is a "bash America" site, and saying things like "America can turn off the Internet" angers many of you (mainly because its true!) but do all you Yankee haters realize that we are the only force capable of deterring CHina from undertaking what could be the most horriffic hegemony in the history of mankind?

And from the "how soon we forget..." department: Compared to the Europeans and Asians, Americans are mere pikers when it comes to xenophobia... Europe spawned the Nazi's for Christ's sake! Even more recent history (post WWII, after Europe "learned its lesson" and became so collectively enlightened and holier than thou...puuuhleeease) reveals behaviour that if perpetrated by Americans, would be railed against.

Lessee here; Falklands, French nuclear testing, Nepal(China),colonialism through proxie dictators in Africa (France, Belgium and Netherlands excel there), rampant arms trafficking by the EU member states, Brutal,murderous, genocidal Communist oppression, African genocides, Muslim ("religion of peace") genocides, Serb/Croat/Muslim wars/genocides the list goes on.

You give us more credit than we deserve.

[tavewa]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', '
')but do all you Yankee haters realize that we are the only force capable of deterring CHina from undertaking what could be the most horriffic hegemony in the history of mankind?