[big_rc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
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It seems that this method of releasing hydrogen from it's bond with oxygen is a whole lot more efficient than electrolysis - which is very significant, I think.

But it only seems to have earned contempt for not being an energy source here at PO.com.

[shortonoil]

mididoctors said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e all get one.... with my ration of infinite energy I'm going to re-run every possible quantum option from the big bang onwards, raise the dead and promote myself to god.....

[Carlhole]

The Radio Wave Wizard John Kanzius

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IWH Inquirer', '.')..What John surmised was the salt water in the test tube was the actual splitting of the covalent bond between oxygen and the hydrogen brothers. The resulting mix of oxygen and hydrogen gas released into the air from the salt water was then ignited by wick’s naked flame. Another effect was the more John increased the strength of the EFG waves the hotter the flame became, and he clocked it in at the limits of his machines capability at over 1,647 degrees centigrade. Now fair enough, the power required to push the EFG wave strength to induce this temperature was considerable and far exceeded the actual energy output of the flame. But it opens up a whole new realm of possibilities for the investigation of this effect.

One of those possibilities is fine tuning the EFG to be able to disrupt the very atomic bonds within an atom. If this can be achieved then we have the keys to unlocking the power within an atom (we all know how powerful the atom can be if it split aka Nuclear reactors and Nuclear Bombs), in a safer more controlled manner. This could be the beginning of a new possibly clean or at least cleaner than current energy sources. And that is worth independent investigation, research and experimentation on a global open platform. So I say well done Mr John Kanzius you have given the world hope in two major fields that are present issues of major concern, but lets all be careful and not experience a repeat of Tesla, Klein, Rife or Meyer. Together slowly, surely and steadily with crucial knowledge shared, we can perhaps stem the rising tides and change the world for the better.

[efarmer]

15 years ago I knew of a project to use 11MHZ or so to kill cancer cells by causing them to ring themselves to death at resonance. I understand that a good singer can reproduce the resonant note of a crystal goblet and do the same, but I am skeptical for several reasons.

1. Cancer cells are not standardized in size and structure to my
knowledge (which I admit is limited.)

<for the hydrogen producing part of the technology>

2. So far as creating hydrogen and oxygen from water:
Would the water have to just pure water and sodium salt
for the resonance to be useful and predictable?
Would this preclude sea water which has many different
chemical salts as a mixture?

3. Is there any hope of a net energy production when the input
power is measured and deducted from the output power?

I am very impressed by the work of Mr. Kanzius but very wary of people twisting it to become a major contribution of energy.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '1')5 years ago I knew of a project to use 11MHZ or so to kill cancer cells by causing them to ring themselves to death at resonance. I understand that a good singer can reproduce the resonant note of a crystal goblet and do the same, but I am skeptical for several reasons.

1. Cancer cells are not standardized in size and structure to my knowledge (which I admit is limited.)

[efarmer]

Thanks for a splendid answer, especially on the tagging aspect which is of course well proven for isotope imaging and treating of cancers. The energy aspect of this may well be conservation of that very precious energy, human life. I sure do enjoy it when reality beats my skepticism silly.

[lvitch]

Hi , noob here .

I tend to see the same things here that I see elseware and I had really hoped that wasn't the case.

If someone finds something new (at least to them in theory) or a scientist type makes a non reported observation(usually a shade tree guy as they are usually the only ones looking to make non profit driven discoveries) instead of focusing on the science of it, learning, observing the data, making an effort to try and understand what is going on even if it is not simply explainable at a glance. It is called a "hoax" (how about "inacurate"? Def for the smart ones ; noun: something intended to deceive or defraud ) and completely disguarded. This is sad, and painfull on many levels.

Forget the books for a second , think outside the box , and dont be hasty. New science will not come from books , nor will it have been built from things that we have already done. It will just be New. We will need to learn at some point and time that we do not know everything, and most of what has been taught, has been taught to us for the purpose of being profitable.

If you took the time and energy that the 6+ pages of this thread took to write , we could probably have reinvented the wheel (which despite all our great education, still has not been done. we still use arcane methods for power generation and motivation.) ,probably cured a disease ( for as intelligent as everyone appears to be, we havent cured anything since polio! maybe were getting dumber??? sorry I forgot the money is in the treatment not the cure) or made some actual progress in clean energy ( why solar panels are not manditory for every new building built , I do not know, but there is a large environmental impact fee to build a new one ??? where's that going???)

How about someone ... anyone ... do something scientificly "new" and a group for once look at the science and help to develop it instead of trying to debunk it as a deliberate deseption of the intelligent public. ?

[Carlhole]

John Kanzius succumbed to his leukemia last month.

His work is being continued by researchers at Johns Hopkins. They have reported successes in using methods to selectively deliver gold nanoparticles to tumor cells where they can be zapped with radio waves. This was Kanzius primary goal.

He didn't care so much about the new phenomenon he discovered - the splitting of hydrogen and oxygen from saltwater in a field of radio waves. I wrote to the Penn State scientist who had investigated the burning saltwater phenomenon to ask him about the energy inputs versus outputs. I asked him how the new phenomenon's efficiency compared to electrolysis.

He wrote back saying that he had not collected enough data to report on the energy inputs/outputs - which is very frustrating. One would think it would be an simple matter to determine how much energy the radio waves required to elicit the burning saltwater phenomenon.

When I started this thread, news about the new phenomenon was pouring out from many sources all at once. But, mysteriously, it suddenly ceased. You would think that a whole lot of private tinkerers out there would be fooling around duplicating and experimenting the phenomenon and continuing to report on it. But I haven't heard a thing about anyone else experimenting with this.

The burning saltwater phenomenon would be very significant if it were of much greater efficiency than electrolysis. Electrolysis is not efficient at all in splitting hydrogen from oxygen.

Aside from all that, the physics of what is happening at the molecular level still have not been reported on. How are radio waves in conjunction with NaCl able to weaken and split the molecular bonds in H2O? Do radio waves have a similar effect on other substances? Does this effect have greater potential utility?

I guess we'll just have to be patient. It's strange that the news on the subject just suddenly stopped cold.

[oyvey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'A')s for EROEI, no one knows.

[lvitch]

we need more people like this :

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm

[oyvey]

They are just tapping into the power grid leak radiating off high voltage lines running all over America,

They think they are ehter waves. after powerdown none of that will work.

Take a 100 foot copper wire insulated and run it across your yard. on one end solder a gallium arsenide low loss diode onto it and hook a volt meeter from that to ground

you have power.

nothing novel about that.