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OIL PRICES SITUATION IN NEWS

Unread postby teky » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 08:32:36

How serious situation on oil price rise reflects the fact that all main TV broadcasters provided significant time for this issue in its primetime yesterday’s news. Both BBC News at 10, BBC Newsnight and the ITV News at 10.30pm analyzed the increase in oil prices and the way it can affect us in the future through interviews with world experts and showing inserts (ITV) from the documentary film A Crude Awakening.

What do you predict- How much time more we have until world oil reserves run out? Are we approaching the end of an era of cheap oil?
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Re: OIL PRICES SITUATION IN NEWS

Unread postby yull » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 08:43:54

We'll never run out of oil, globally anyway. What we are running out of is cheap, abundant oil in quantities enough to continue economic growth. We're almost in that era now.
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Unread postby EndOfGrowth » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 08:52:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yull', 'W')e'll never run out of oil, globally anyway. What we are running out of is cheap, abundant oil in quantities enough to continue economic growth. We're almost in that era now.


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Re: OIL PRICES SITUATION IN NEWS

Unread postby Bas » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 09:02:15

We have already left the era of cheap oil, but it still is relatively cheap compared to what it will be in a few years and beyond. Reserves running out? well, That question is not really relevant; we might be pumping a thousand barrels a day a thousand years from now.

The question one should ask, can we suck the oil out of the ground faster than we are doing now, while it gets harder to suck it out everyday? Possibly if all above ground factors where ideal we could have, but in that scenario we would have peaked in the past rather than in the future, though with a higher level of peak production. Either way, we're facing irreversable declines soon and a sudden change in political circumstances to an ideal situation now (however unlikely that is) would not give us much extra time in terms of delaying global decline of oil production.

Nice to hear they are showing clips from "A Crude Awakening", it really seems that the big 100 is going to wake up a lot of people......Better late than never.
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Unread postby sjn » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 10:02:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teky', 'H')ow serious situation on oil price rise reflects the fact that all main TV broadcasters provided significant time for this issue in its primetime yesterdays news. Both BBC News at 10, BBC Newsnight and the ITV News at 10.30pm analyzed the increase in oil prices and the way it can affect us in the future through interviews with world experts and showing inserts (ITV) from the documentary film A Crude Awakening.


I only saw the BBC 10 o'clock news. They didn't mention supply issues at all. The put it down to speculators and the weak dollar, combined with the growth of India and China. It implied that the forecourt price in the UK was primarilly due the weak dollar, and actually explicitly said such in an earlier broadcast!
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Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 10:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'W')e have already left the era of cheap oil, but it still is relatively cheap compared to what it will be in a few years and beyond. Reserves running out? well, That question is not really relevant; we might be pumping a thousand barrels a day a thousand years from now.

The question one should ask, can we suck the oil out of the ground faster than we are doing now, while it gets harder to suck it out everyday? Possibly if all above ground factors where ideal we could have, but in that scenario we would have peaked in the past rather than in the future, though with a higher level of peak production. Either way, we're facing irreversable declines soon and a sudden change in political circumstances to an ideal situation now (however unlikely that is) would not give us much extra time in terms of delaying global decline of oil production.

Nice to hear they are showing clips from "A Crude Awakening", it really seems that the big 100 is going to wake up a lot of people......Better late than never.


Well put, it's hard to get a handle on just how much more difficult it is becoming to extract oil - but we know it is happening. In addition, there is a double effect here as refiners are having a difficult time coping with changes in oil quality, creating an additional physical limitation.

I also noticed that Europe is covering this issue much better than in the US, where the subject of PO is still considered a fringe issue.
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Re: OIL PRICES SITUATION IN NEWS

Unread postby Bas » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 11:01:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '
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Well put, it's hard to get a handle on just how much more difficult it is becoming to extract oil - but we know it is happening. In addition, there is a double effect here as refiners are having a difficult time coping with changes in oil quality, creating an additional physical limitation.

I also noticed that Europe is covering this issue much better than in the US, where the subject of PO is still considered a fringe issue.


Thank you Dante. Indeed the decline of oil quality is a very important part of Peakoil. I'm not so sure that the European media is covering better than it is done in America though, it's still very much a fringe issue here too; actually I always thought awareness in America was higher because gas prices here haven't risen much over the last couple of years (relative due to petrol taxes and in absolute terms because of the rise of the Euro). Either way, PeakOil might become the story of the year in 2008 on both continents if the average price keeps rising (and going on the reports of continuesly declining stockpiles they will have to untill at least demand growth stops worldwide, and even declines a little...)
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Unread postby Nano » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 11:59:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'E')ither way, PeakOil might become the story of the year in 2008 on both continents if the average price keeps rising (and going on the reports of continuesly declining stockpiles they will have to untill at least demand growth stops worldwide, and even declines a little...)


I rather think Richard Duncan's "Olduvai Theory" might become the story of the year in 2008. The 'cliff' phase is projected to start in '08.
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Re: OIL PRICES SITUATION IN NEWS

Unread postby bodigami » Thu 08 Nov 2007, 17:12:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '
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Well put, it's hard to get a handle on just how much more difficult it is becoming to extract oil - but we know it is happening. In addition, there is a double effect here as refiners are having a difficult time coping with changes in oil quality, creating an additional physical limitation.

I also noticed that Europe is covering this issue much better than in the US, where the subject of PO is still considered a fringe issue.


Thank you Dante. Indeed the decline of oil quality is a very important part of Peakoil. (...)


indeed. how much time does current refineries have left keeping the gasoline production? Wouldn't refineries stop production somewhere down the cliff? Wouldn't a "new class of refineries" is needed to keep economical growth (...not that this growth is healthy)?
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