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Is it just me, or is shopping getting more expensive?

Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 19:28:33

I'm not sure if I'm imagining this or not, but it seems that the price of just about every consumer good has gone up (not sure about food, though). I have been shopping at Wal-Mart lately (I know, I know... China Mart) to stock up on survival stuff and necessites in preparation for peak oil. But it seems that the prices at Wally World have been steadily increasing. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps high oil prices are starting to affect the price of consumer goods. If this is true, then surely it's only the beginning of things to come in the near future.
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Unread postby Itch » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 19:48:15

Well, I do most of my shopping online, so prices vary all the time. I don't go shopping enough at stores to see a difference.

What items have you noticed increasing in price?
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Unread postby 0mar » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 20:20:56

Milk is fucking expensive. I just noticed that today. I used to pay around 2.49 for a gallon of 2%, now it's 3.39. I don't think its oil related though :)
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 20:28:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'M')ilk is fucking expensive. I just noticed that today. I used to pay around 2.49 for a gallon of 2%, now it's 3.39. I don't think its oil related though :)

Why not? The price of fuel is a factor in the price of producing and transporting perishable milk.
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Unread postby Guest » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 20:46:08

True, but those dairy farmers have powerful unions.
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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 20:48:02

No it it just you. Things are not gettion more expensive
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Unread postby marek » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 20:51:04

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Unread postby 0mar » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 21:07:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'M')ilk is fucking expensive. I just noticed that today. I used to pay around 2.49 for a gallon of 2%, now it's 3.39. I don't think its oil related though :)

Why not? The price of fuel is a factor in the price of producing and transporting perishable milk.


I think it was simply a lack of supply. You might be right though.
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 21:18:27

In our area, a gallon of organic cow's milk is coming in right around $8.00

Much of our produce doubled since May'04 and beef and chicken have gone up about 35%.

Chow is $$$y. Lots of squirrels and rabbits running around. Meat for me, fur for clothing -- lookin' better every day. Not very good eats tho! What do grubs taste like?
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Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 22:52:13

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Well...if you ask my dogs, they'll tell you that grubs are a delicacy :-D . It seems like everytime we get a good rain, the grubs come to the top, my dogs find them, and I end up chasing them down, taking the grubs away, and tossing them to the chickens. Oh yeah, chickens love 'em too... not sure I'll be roasting any anytime soon, though.

As for the prices of other things - yep. Everything seems to be getting more expensive - and milk has been steadily more than $3 - closer to $3.50 for some time now. I keep tellin people, this is just the beginning... get prepared.
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Unread postby pilferage » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 23:36:47

The price of sliced meat has gone up ~25 cents, and milk iirc has gone up ~30 cents. Also, top ramen has gone from 10 cents to about 12 cents, but that's kinda cyclical. Everything else has been pretty stable, bu I'm on a very "cheap" diet, so the items I buy won't undergo large fluctuations until tshtf.
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 12:14:33

Not at the walmart I work at, I was told to take all the camo down to $20.00 for a clearence so we can set the summer items, this camo is normally $79.96. As a matter of fact, we purchased them for $31,75, so we are actually taking a loss on these.
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Unread postby Devil » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 13:11:16

Of course the price of things in the US must go up. Somebody has to pay for your national debt. Result, the value of the dollar has to go down, all imported stuff goes up, including oil and natural gas, energy prices will rise. You are at the beginning of a nice inflationary spiral. Guess who is responsible?
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Unread postby MarkL » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 13:53:13

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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 15:16:59

Does China make all the food they need?

http://www.tulane.edu/~internut/Countri ... inaxx.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Food & Diet

In China, each province has its specific socio-economic level, food habits, health infrastructures and communication facilities. Thus, the nutritional status of the population shows significant inter-province variations since it results from a varying combination of factors.

For children under five years of age, the prevalence of underweight ranged from 3% in Beijing to 39% in the province of Hainan while that of stunting ranged from 7% in Beijing to 56% in of Guizhou. The highest prevalence of stunting were observed in the same provinces as those of underweight. The marked improvement in nutritional status is shown by a reduction of the prevalence of underweight from 22%, in 1987 to 12% in the 1992. In China, the under-five mortality rate (U5MR), an important indicator of the socio-economic development and health and nutritional status of a society was found to be 47% in 1996. However, a large number of infectious diseases, such as respiratory, intestinal infections and hepatitis remain the main cause of death in children under five, with malnutrition being an aggravating factor.

The provinces of Guangxi and Hainan were found to be affected by adult chronic energy deficiency with more than one fourth of them with a BMI under 18.5 kg/m2. In adults, average BMI values were similar for both males and females (22.0 kg/m2). About 10% of the adult population had a BMI below 18.5 kg/m2 while a significant proportion were overweight or obese (15%). In the last decade, a clear shift to the right is seen in the distribution of BMI values, suggesting an improvement in adults' nutritional status over this period. In the past decade, there has been an improvement in the nutritional status of the Chinese population.

In all the provinces surveyed, cereals mainly rice and wheat flour represented the main source of energy providing from 54% to 78% of total energy intake. The diet in China is mainly based on vegetable products which provide 81% and 63% of total protein and fat intake respectively. The Chinese diet is particularly deficient in iodine but China has started with the Universal Iodization Salt campaign to control IDD and this program is promising to achieve its goals by the year 2000. It is also deficient in iron and women above 18 years of age are the most affected group with 23% suffering from anemia. There are important inter provincial variations in the prevalence of anemia in adult women which ranged from 2% to 52%.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Food and Dietary Indices 1980 1990 1995 1999
Total Calories Consumed (kcals/day) 2,328 2,713 2,874 3,039
Animal Sources of food (kcals/day) 7.5% 11.4% 16.1% 18.8%')

Where are they getting this increased amount of food that is allowing more to not starve?

http://atn-riae.agr.ca/asia/3833_e.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2003, China’s imports reached US$413 billion, surpassing Japan as the world’s third largest importer.

China has strong demand for imported food and agri-products. It is forecasted to become the world’s largest food and agri-products market within 10 to 20 years.


Is this getting better?

http://www.din.net.cn/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')esertification is one of the major environmental issues in the world today. At present, two third of the countries and districts in the world, one fourth of the global land territory and nearly 100 million world population are threatened by desertification. China is one of the countries with serious disasters of desertification in the world. According to the monitoring results of China's State Forestry Administration in 1999, the desert areas are still expanding in China with an average increase of about 10,400 square kilometers per year, and China has 2.67 million square kilometers of desert land, accounting for 27.9 percent of China's total territory.


Still sure China wants to hurt the rest of the world's economy?
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Unread postby MarkL_gst1 » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 16:29:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'S')till sure China wants to hurt the rest of the world's economy?


The peg of China's currency to the dollar will destroy the rest of the world's economy probably sooner than later. Why they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs is beyond me.

If China would just offer a percentage point a quarter, at least we could see a light at the end of the tunnel.

So what's this have to do with inflation? As long as China holds that peg to the dollar we will continue to have an increasing trade deficit. As long as we continue to have an increasing trade deficit, the value of the dollar will continue to fall.
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Unread postby MarkL » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 16:53:15

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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 28 Jan 2005, 17:20:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Not-Anonymous-but-really-MarkL', 'T')he peg of China's currency to the dollar will destroy the rest of the world's economy probably sooner than later.

If it takes more than a couple years then PO will get there first.
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