[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'W')hy don't we just ramp up Coal-Liquid fuel production, for the short term, and use coal as our primary power source, while we construct 20,000 new breeder reactors.

If we mass produced them, I'm sure we could succeed in producing them. If an economic crunch is coming, then building Nuke plants would provide a good job for anyone who needed welfare.

What do you think?

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')This same argument applys to Nucs...there is around 40 years of RECOVERABLE yellow cake remaining...

Peak Uranium has passed.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')This same argument applys to Nucs...there is around 40 years of RECOVERABLE yellow cake remaining...

Peak Uranium has passed.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')To date no one has intelligently refuted Dr. Duncan's predictions...oh we will die trying to prove him wrong, but so what JB ...there is "trying" and then there is "doing".

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')To date no one has intelligently refuted Dr. Duncan's predictions...oh we will die trying to prove him wrong, but so what JB ...there is "trying" and then there is "doing".

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')While you spend your time with wiki I will continue to listen to my sources...

Like a registered electrical engineer from one of the largest electric utilities in the southwest that told me at lunch 2 months ago to expect black outs in Phoenix in under 2 years.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Opies', 'w')hat you're suggesting is ludicrous.
Building 20,000 breeder reactors wont put fuel in the gas tanks of the tractors.
your solution does not work.

[Tyler_JC]

A nuclear plant costs about $2000 per kilowatt of generating capacity.

Meaning a one gigawatt plant would cost $2 billion.

Adding in other random factors and that goes up to, say, $4 billion.

World energy consumption is 15TW.

Or, 15,000 gigwatts.

The cost of this energy, if we built nuclear plants to suddenly replace all of our current use, would be $60,000 billion or roughly equal to global GDP.

Now obviously some of the world is already powered by nuclear power but I'll ignore that fraction for now.

We do not need to build all 15,000 nuclear plants in one year. We have decades to do it.

Spread out the costs over a third of a century and suddenly the figure drops to 3% of GDP.

Now that is a far more manageable number, no?

As for Coal-to-Liquid...I prefer keeping the planet as clean as possible. CTL is a distraction and an ecological disaster (much like corn ethanol). God willing this won't be tried on a large scale and based on the poor profitability of these projects, it probably won't be tried.

But I'm still worried about the possibility that China might decide to subsidize its liquid transport fuel market by converting its dirty coal reserves...

If that happens, I expect China's population to contract rather sharply do to air pollution, water pollution, food shortages, etc.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Opies', 'w')hat you're suggesting is ludicrous.
Building 20,000 breeder reactors wont put fuel in the gas tanks of the tractors.
your solution does not work.

[roccman]

Wow - reading these posts from tyler and PA and others that have never worked ONE day in the energy field is quite funny and sad.

10 years to permit 5 years to build a nuc plant...

longer for breeders (of which there are only two currently in the world that have spent over 80% of time offline).

Capital investment is drying up by the day...raw materials are becoming more and more and more expensive...and skilled workforces are non-existant at the scale being discussed here.

Again - If you do not know about something - STFU - you only create doubt where there is none.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')10 years to permit 5 years to build a nuc plant...

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')10 years to permit 5 years to build a nuc plant...

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Either way - in 1974 it was written into NEPA just for lardasses like you to glee over...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ITLE 40--PROTECTION OF ENVIRONMENT

CHAPTER V--COUNCIL ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY

PART 1506--OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF NEPA--Table of Contents

Sec. 1506.11 Emergencies.

Where emergency circumstances make it necessary to take an action with significant environmental impact without observing the provisions of these regulations, the Federal agency taking the action should consult with the Council about alternative arrangements. Agencies and the Council will limit such arrangements to actions necessary to control the immediate impacts of the emergency. Other actions remain subject to NEPA review.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Either way - in 1974 it was written into NEPA just for lardasses like you to glee over...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ITLE 40--PROTECTION OF ENVIRONMENT

CHAPTER V--COUNCIL ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY

PART 1506--OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF NEPA--Table of Contents

Sec. 1506.11 Emergencies.

Where emergency circumstances make it necessary to take an action with significant environmental impact without observing the provisions of these regulations, the Federal agency taking the action should consult with the Council about alternative arrangements. Agencies and the Council will limit such arrangements to actions necessary to control the immediate impacts of the emergency. Other actions remain subject to NEPA review.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Not much to say ...eh JB??

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')Not much to say ...eh JB??

[Tyler_JC]

I feel like these conversations are pointless.

Roccman and JB come from fundamentally different backgrounds.

Occasionally a breakthrough can be made but basically, it's like watching Karl Marx and Milton Friedman argue economics...

[Plantagenet]

Image too big- jato


The wimps and whiners want to quit and lay down and give up before things even get tough, and they want everybody else to give up too. So let 'em give up, to be swept into the dustbin of history.

The rest of us will just have to leave them where they drop and get about the business of building nukes and hydrogen cars and and androids and flying cars all by ourself. Its time for the men of action to roll up their sleeves and get started at creating the new American economy from the shell of the old......

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') feel like these conversations are pointless.

Roccman and JB come from fundamentally different backgrounds.

Occasionally a breakthrough can be made but basically, it's like watching Karl Marx and Milton Friedman argue economics...

[frankthetank]

Can someone here give me the directions to where an ACTUAL nuclear power plant is being built NOW. I think a field trip would be well worth it

I believe nuclear could've saved us, if we wouldn't had taken the SUV/gasoline route back 15 years ago and went the route of the EV1.

Why would some rich dude who is happy using oil (he won't have to worry) invest in some scheme that doesn't benefit him (the goverment sure the hell isn't doing anything to solve the problem/you think Clinton or Mr 9/11 is???)?

I still say the rich say F U and fly away to Dubai or New Zealand or some remote place and play with their yachts and weiners.

The rich always win!