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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 21:58:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'T')here's a refinery in or near Villahermosa, but I don't know what they produce, or for where.

The products are probably for the domestic market, considering Mexico has to import gasoline from the US. But what I have read so far suggests a lot of the work there is natural gas related. In either case the situation probably won't be good as the site is a plain.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby SD_Scott » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:04:45

I worked on quite a few gas turbine projects in that area. It's an oil centric town but there is a lot of nat gas.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:06:52

I found this page about Villahermosa:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')illahermosa is the axis of Mexico's oil and gas activities. Nearly the totality of oil and more than 90 percent of natural gas is produced within a 200 km radius of the city. Similarly, due its strategic location and accessibility, Villahermosa is an easy drive to or from the seaports that handle 95 percent of Mexico's crude oil exports.

One of the most relevant attribute of the state of Tabasco is that it is covered by water, and the capital, Villahermosa, is no exception. Nearly a third of Mexico's interior water runs through Tabasco and produces an important share of electric power.

Some of the O&G companies with premises in Villahermosa are: Pemex Exploration and Production (South Region, Drilling Unit, Engineering of Strategic Projects); Mexican Petroleum Institute (IMP), Schlumberger, Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Core Lab, Great Wall Drilling Co., Petrotec, Precision Drilling, CGG, among others.

Clearly, O&G exploration and production activities have been the mainstay of Villahermosa economy. This condition is being reinforced by the important set of exploration and production projects that are being developed both, offshore and onshore, in Southeast Mexico. The triplication of Pemex Exploration and Production (PEP) investment budget in Tabasco (from 2001 to 2002) illustrates this point.


80% of Tabasco is under water. I think there's no report on the effect on the oil infrastructure because they haven't been able to assess it. That, and they are busy getting people off rooftops and getting them food and water. IIRC, it was like this with New Orleans, too. It was days before the oil companies were able to fully assess the damage.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby SD_Scott » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:17:47

Parts of it are very swampy. kinda low lying. It's also a fairly wild area. somewhat lawless in some areas. sometimes our people would be turned back by armed locals.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:23:22

Scott...what do you think the effect on production will be? What exactly does the Pemex headquarters there do? Do a lot of the locals work for Pemex?
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby SD_Scott » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:39:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'S')cott...what do you think the effect on production will be? What exactly does the Pemex headquarters there do? Do a lot of the locals work for Pemex?


There is a lot of pemex people there, but I wouldn't know about the production loss as I am not sure where the flooding is. Pemex is a nationalized company but a lot of American companies operate there and do a lot of the work. I'm sure they can bring in big resources. I just saw this thread a moment ago. I had no idea that was happening. I will investigate further.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Chesire » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:48:25

Wonder if there will be dramatic footage of . Ethnic majority 'finding food" and ethnic minority 'looting ' . From this disaster. :lol:
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 22:54:51

Thanks.

The flooding appears to be just about everywhere. 80% of Tabasco is underwater. It's 6 ft deep in the middle of Villahemosa. Chiapas has been affected as well, but there's even less news from there than there is from Tabasco.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby SD_Scott » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 23:20:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'T')hanks.

The flooding appears to be just about everywhere. 80% of Tabasco is underwater. It's 6 ft deep in the middle of Villahemosa. Chiapas has been affected as well, but there's even less news from there than there is from Tabasco.


Yeah, sounds bad. Good find.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 09:08:55

Dante, if you're still reading this thread...have you heard whether Pajaritos ever re-opened?

The last thing I heard was a report last Thursday that that it "might" open that day. I never heard whether it did. There's been almost no news since Halloween. Though that might be because it's a major holiday in Mexico. (Dia de los Muertos, Nov. 1 and 2)
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 09:56:27

Wonder if there will be dramatic footage of . Ethnic majority 'finding food" and ethnic minority 'looting ' . From this disaster

Nah, they work down there, very little nanny state like in New Orleans. The media can't play it as anti president as they did in our media. I've worked down in Villahermosa three times, some of the best food I've every had.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 11:42:39

CNN has a good video on it:

Flood victims fear looters

What a mess. Those people really didn't need this.

Beeb vid:

Mexico struggles after floods

MSNBC story:

Food, water shortages grow in Mexico floods
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 12:17:24

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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 13:16:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'D')ante, if you're still reading this thread...have you heard whether Pajaritos ever re-opened?

The last thing I heard was a report last Thursday that that it "might" open that day. I never heard whether it did. There's been almost no news since Halloween. Though that might be because it's a major holiday in Mexico. (Dia de los Muertos, Nov. 1 and 2)


Supposedly all ports would return to normal oil shipments on Saturday, but they remain closed for other types of shipping. They did specifically also state that storage facilities would be operational, although it’s unclear if a pipeline connection from the land to the port was still damaged.

As to refineries (something may have been lost here in translation):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il prices continued to rise on October 30 following news from Mexico that oil refineries would be closed owing to a hurricane (80% of the country's refining capacity is located on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico).


Source: Interfax, November 5

PEMEX is keeping mum today. They either don’t know or don’t want to say how bad off they are yet. I would expect most on-land oil recovery and refineries to be shut in.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 20:34:28

There has not been one story in the Mexican press today about oil production anywhere in Mexico.

The only thing that was mentioned is that a pipeline coming from a refinery in Veracruz was being repaired and that Mexico may have to import more gasoline.

Also there were some articles saying that they expect Mexico to stop exporting oil within five years.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby lawnchair » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 21:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '
')The products are probably for the domestic market, considering Mexico has to import gasoline from the US.


That's more or less fungible. If their domestic production is severely impacted, they'd be bidding up prices to import more from the US (or Venezuela, Aruba, etc).
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 06 Nov 2007, 04:11:01

No letup, no relief:

Wave of mud buries town near flooded Mexico

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')eanwhile, at least 20,000 people in nearby Tabasco remained trapped Monday on the rooftops of homes as hungry and dehydrated victims scrambled for government packages of food and medicine.

Gov. Andres Granier ordered central streets in the state capital of Villahermosa closed to all but rescue workers to prevent looting.
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Re: Mexico Flooding and Oil Production

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 06 Nov 2007, 23:49:50

Oil industry takes hit from Mexico flooding

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ILLAHERMOSA, MEXICO — Although onshore oil fields in and around flood-ravaged Tabasco state escaped major damage, some of the people working at those wells have been left in the lurch.

Many oil workers are based in the flooded state capital of Villahermosa and have lost their homes. Meanwhile, flooded streets and washed-out roads makes getting to and from the oil fields a logistical nightmare.

"It slows down our operations considerably," said Mark Ingram, a Livingston, Texas, native who works for an oil-services company and has lived in Villahermosa since April.

"It takes all day to get to one rig," said Ingram, who was flooded out of his home and has taken up residence in one of he city's hotels on higher ground.

Although heavy storms and high seas forced Mexico to shut down some offshore wells last week, halting about one-fifth of its daily crude production for five days, onshore operations appear to have dodged a bullet. Most of the inland wells in Tabasco state are located to the north of flood-damaged Villahermosa, on relatively dry ground.
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Obrador Vows to Block Mexico's Energy Reforms

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 12:23:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a losing candidate in Mexico's presidential elections last year, called on thousands of supporters packing the capital's central square today to organize street protests against a potential opening of the country's energy industry to private investment.

Lopez Obrador asked followers to demonstrate against an ``imminent'' plan by President Felipe Calderon to privatize the country's oil industry. Lopez Obrador today said he would propose his own plan to raise additional resources for state oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex.

Today's rally underscores the difficulty Calderon may face to boost investment in the energy industry. Lopez Obrador carried out two months of street protests last year after losing the presidential election.

``Our movement is obligated to play a very important role before the imminent decision of the usurping government and its allies to hand the oil industry over to foreigners,'' Lopez Obrador said today, according to the transcript. ``Let's prepare ourselves to carry out acts of peaceful civil resistance in the whole country.''


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Re: Obrador Vows to Block Mexico's Energy Reforms

Unread postby Geko45 » Mon 19 Nov 2007, 14:38:58

And this is why there won't be an orderly power down. There will always be some jackass willing to pander to the crowd and tell them they could have more if only they demand it loudly enough.

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