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Unread postby Kylon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:23:59

Do you want to grow the economy?

Do you want to solve the energy crisis and be a big hero?

Do you want to eliminate our need and dependence on foreign sources of energy?

If so, then you need to put in place a policy to mass produce breeder reactors.

All we need is a huge number of breeder reactors, and our energy problems will be solved.

If you mass produce them, pre-assemble them in factories using robots, you can drastically reduce the cost of production.

If you reduce the permit approval time, then they might start being built and coming online within your second term. If they do and they solve the energy crisis, then you'll be a hero.

If you reduce the cost of production, you reduce the cost per kilowatt hour, and ultimately with lower energy prices, you end up with more production, more economic growth, and more stability within the U.S.


So if you want to solve the Peak Oil energy problem, just go nuclear.
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Unread postby Opies » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:27:30

Symptom, bigger problem, peak uranium... etc.... retard band-aid solution that is impractical. etc. etc. etc. old boring etc.
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Unread postby Kylon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:32:07

Not if you use breeder reactors that generate more fuel than they consume. If you use breeder reactors you can utilize U-238 and convert it to plutonium and thorium, which you can convert to a radioactive isotope of uranium.

With those two fuel sources, we've got enough power to last us a very long time(until we develop fusion, or until we get population under control).

Plus, I'm trying to keep it simple for politicians. They're not the most technical people ya know.

We're suffering from Peak Everything. But our most critical problem right now is energy, because with energy you can produce water(desalination), and increase crop growth(mechanized farming + irrigation + modern fertilizers).

So the three main problems of depletion can be dealt with if you have a really good energy solution.
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Unread postby kadoomsoon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:35:29

I think all the U-238 in the world is now in Iraq as dust floating around, they already found a way to get rid of most of it.

I will look that up and see how efficient that is.

Have you thought of how many breeder reactors it would take to replace 10 million barrels of oil per day?

See if we can build that many...

Even more comprehensive are systems such as the Integral Fast Reactor (IFR) pyroprocessing system, which uses pools of molten cadmium and electrorefiners to reprocess metallic fuel directly on-site at the reactor[8]. Such systems not only commingle all the minor actinides with both uranium and plutonium, they are compact and self-contained, so that no plutonium-containing material ever needs to be transported away from the site of the breeder reactor. Breeder reactors incorporating such technology would most likely be designed with breeding ratios very close to 1.00, so that after an initial loading of enriched uranium and/or plutonium fuel, the reactor would then be refueled only with small deliveries of natural uranium metal. A quantity of natural uranium metal equivalent to a block about the size of a milk crate delivered once per month would be all the fuel such a 1 gigawatt reactor would need[9]. Such self-contained breeders are currently envisioned as the final self-contained and self-supporting ultimate goal of nuclear reactor designers.

each reactor runs about gigawat/40 day/ton

1000 gigawatt-hours (or 1 terawatt-hour) is 3.6*10^15 joules, divided by 6.1*10^9 joules is 590,163. That’s 590 THOUSAND barrels, of oil.

2000 gigawatt hours is 1 million barrels of oil.
20,000 gigawatt hours is 10 million barrels of oil

40,000 gigawatt hours per day should supply our oil needs, unles we need to process chemicals into usable substitutes for the oil we had before we assume efficiency of 20 percent that would be
an additional 100,000 gigawatt hours for our chemical needs of 7 million barrels per day.

so 150,000 gigawatt hours of nuclear reactors ought to do it.

assuming the reqactors run 24 hours a day devide that by 24.

6250 reactors ought to do it putting out 1 gigawatt per hour.

We could put 125 in each state. One for every minor city in each state. And each river could supply about 20 of them... may run out of water... to cool it all.

Probably no can do, the indians would sue for killing the salmon.

Now we need to build them within 3 years or we are toast.
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Unread postby Opies » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:45:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'N')ot if you use breeder reactors that generate more fuel than they consume.


Stopped reading right there.
Can't get something for nothing, law of thermodynamics, entropy, etc.


EDIT: I caved and read the rest figuring I'd give you a chance to redeem yourself, but I now see that was a mistake.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'a')nd increase crop growth(mechanized farming + irrigation + modern fertilizers).


WHY? Why the hell would you want to increase crop growth?
An increase in crop production to feed an expanded population only leads to yet a greater increase is population.

Scarcity is natural and part of the natural system.
Equilibrium is natural and part of the natural system.
Therefore: Scarcity must exist for Equilibrium to exist.

Then again, equilibrium has never been the objective...
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Unread postby kadoomsoon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 02:02:37

Back when I had my Apple II there was a game called SARGON where you run the world.

The only way to be succesful was to starve 2 percent of the population each year. If you fed all of them they would overgrow and die off. I learned a lesson back then, you have to be an A-hole to be a succesful king.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 14:27:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Opies', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'N')ot if you use breeder reactors that generate more fuel than they consume.


Stopped reading right there.
Can't get something for nothing, law of thermodynamics, entropy, etc.


You should read more. Every reactor ever made creates or "breeds" other radioactive isotopes. The basic power reactor operating in the U.S. now generates about 50% as much nuclear fuel as it consumes, adding to its efficiency. Reactors designed to facilitate this can produce more usable fuel then they consume. The trick of it is that the radio-active decay doesn't produce more of the same isotope...it produces other isotopes that are also radio-active. So decay of uranium produces radioative thorium, for instance, and the newly created thorium isotopes can also be used to generate power. This doesn't violate the law of thermodynamics because the initial nuclear decay process didn't use up all the energy in the atoms---it only used a small part of it. The newly created isotopes can also be used to generate energy, capturing another percentage of the intial atomic energy.

Get it? :-D
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