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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby bobaloo » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 20:23:40

I check in here for news pretty regularly, but not much left to discuss, it's been hashed through so many times here and other places.

Three years ago I was still trying to educate others in my area, have since seen the folly of my ways. They didn't want to hear about it then, now it just makes them mad, so laying low, flying under the radar and doing what I can to prepare.

My favorite post, the guys whose solution to peak oil was to live in Manhattan, because he can take the bus to work and the deli will deliver.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby some_guy282 » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 22:40:04

Still here, still lurking...
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Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine

History is a set of lies agreed upon. – Napoleon Bonaparte
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby jdmartin » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 23:14:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'j')dmartin, I think cornucopians get their asses kicked much quicker now because the veterans have less patience. Plus peak concepts are better understood by more newbies.

When I first joined JD intimidated me. I still remember my first challenge. He was a smug vegetarian (aren't they all :razz: ) and proposed Quorn tm as a peak oil solution. I said corn smut was nothing new and that anyway, it takes a lot of energy to make fungal protein out of ear corn. I also had the immense pleasure of calling him a cornucopian. That shut him up. :twisted:


Yeah, poor ol' John. One day he just up and disappeared, never to return (though I've occasionally suspected him of lurking as someone else).

I like some of the cornucopians, though I see them more as level-headed, reasonable people that have simply not reached an uber-doomer level. rockdoc and jbeckton are 2 that come to mind, they've got well-reasoned posts. A couple of the doomers are just way too hardcore for me. I'm a doomer, but not an uber-doomer. I guess I'm a mini-doomer....
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby jasonraymondson » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 23:18:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '
')I'm a doomer, but not an uber-doomer. I guess I'm a mini-doomer....


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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby thuja » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 23:32:07

OK- I'm getting in- even if it took me till 05 to figure it out- I read The Long Emergency, The Party's Over and then watched while Katrina unfolded.

Yes it seems like the cornucopians have flown the coop. Sometimes I wish we wouldn't give them such a hard time because I want a few of them to stick around. I always enjoy hearing from our less doomeristic friends.

I have definitely noticed a change in the past 6 months- much more strident doomerism and a lot less technical talk. And hey the big one--- Is Monte truly gone? He was and will always be...the Granddaddy. OK Aaron too... but really Monte was this place- everything went through his gnashing teeth and grinding acerbic analytical criticism. Miss the guy...even if he got on my nerves at times.

Well its all unfolding as we predicted...happy now?
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Postby jasonraymondson » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 23:59:05

Ok, since everyone is complaining that everything has been gone over a thousand times

New theory time

The world is actually running out of oil because the underground dwelling dwarves are advancing on their plans for above world domination and have needed all of our sweet light crude to power their drilling devices for digging up some element number 182 on the periodic table that we haven't discovered and are using to build weapons of mass destruction.
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Postby strider3700 » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 02:25:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
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Well its all unfolding as we predicted...happy now?


I've never been happy about what we predicted. I'm looking forward to the rest of our predictions coming true even less.

Really I'd say that us proving how accurate our predictions have been is far more of a scary experience then a happy one.
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Postby Roy » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 07:27:22

What a long strange trip its been!
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Postby Aaron » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 12:19:11

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The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 12:49:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')he world is actually running out of oil because the underground dwelling dwarves are advancing on their plans for above world domination and have needed all of our sweet light crude to power their drilling devices for digging up some element number 182 on the periodic table that we haven't discovered and are using to build weapons of mass destruction.


My current theory is that Mother Nature invented humans because all that carbon was stuck underground in fossil fuels and she wanted to get it back out in circulation. Now that we've completed our task, we're about to be extincted to make room for the next species.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby Roy » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 15:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y current theory is that Mother Nature invented humans because all that carbon was stuck underground in fossil fuels and she wanted to get it back out in circulation. Now that we've completed our task, we're about to be extincted to make room for the next species.


A woman, MD at that, that knows guns, is clued in to PO, and now this!!!!

I think I'm in love! :) :) Virtually that is. :oops:
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby Laurasia » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 21:50:33

Me here, just checking in....just saw this thread on my lunchbreak at work today, so couldn't post. I sometimes look back on the old threads and I am struck by how basic our posts were back then; like "how do we make soap?" or something. Nowadays, we have asked many of the questions, thrashed out the scenarios, and I think, improved our knowledge quite a lot thanks to the fantastic and knowledgeable membership here. I know I personally am thankful for everyone who posts, from the uber-doomers to the uber-cornucopians. Exposure to all the opinions has enabled me to 'tweak' the way I view this whole life-changing event that is unfolding.

People I remember are: Plain Jane, KiddieKorral, OldSprocket, Jpatti, TripleGemini. And of course, CarlinsDarlin and CeeCee, but they still check in here. I'll probably think of some more later.

Peakoil.com is like my favourite pub :-)

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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby NordicThora » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 16:01:21

I joined in 2004, but I'm pretty quiet these days and I've mostly been a lurker here anyway. In my first post here, I wrote about my obsession with learning everything I could about PO. I'm still keeping up with the news to a certain extent, but I'm not obsessive about it and I'm no longer trying to "spread the word" - most people I've encountered don't seem to want to know about it anyway. I'm still a doomer, albeit an older and somewhat more jaded one.

The biggest changes for me since I joined are 1) the intentional community/homesteading effort I was involved in collapsed, and 2) my beloved partner of 14 years dumped me for a woman he met in an online game, and then moved across the USA to be with her. Both were huge losses, and the grief I've experienced has changed me in ways I'm only beginning to understand. Turning 40 and facing some chronic health challenges has changed me profoundly, too. The theme of my recent past has been Loss with a capital "L."

I don't spend much time focusing on PO anymore, even though my views on it haven't really changed. I certainly don't regret any of the prep efforts I made - storing water and food, learning to shoot guns, etc. And I'm even more glad to be a non-parent who's debt-free, frugal, and also car-free (I'm in Portland, OR, a great city for car-free living). But I'm a city-bred geek and academic; I'm really not cut out for the homesteading, farming, or intentional community life, and I've made my peace with that.

My post about the story of our "escape effort" that collapsed on the launching pad can be found here: http://www.peakoil.com/post280058.html#280058.

Great idea for a thread, BTW!

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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby Pops » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 16:37:53

Hi Free, boba, some-guy, Laurasia, Thora and all - glad you are still checking in.

Jeez, this is the old home thread!

Pehaps a reprise every 4-years is in order?

Where do you suppose you all will be in another four?

Sorry if that is a highjack.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby PeakOiler » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 17:50:40

<--raises hand
"Here."

I recall finding this web site after a Google search on "oil production" sometime in 2004.

Found ASPO around 2002, Yahoo's Energy Resources a little later, ca. 2003, (which led to Dieoff.com, which led to reading Randy Udall's When Will the Joy Ride End? and Methane Madness.) Congressman Udall was a keynote speaker at the RE Roundup a few years ago and spoke extensively on PO.

Later, peakoil.com was born and it got bookmarked, and shortly after that, learned about lifeaftertheoilcrash after Matt posted at ER.

I don't post too much or get into debates since I have so many ongoing projects and preps as well as having a full-time job, and just don't have the time.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 06 Nov 2007, 01:58:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', ' ')I have definitely noticed a change in the past 6 months- much more strident doomerism and a lot less technical talk. And hey the big one--- Is Monte truly gone? He was and will always be...the Granddaddy. OK Aaron too... but really Monte was this place- everything went through his gnashing teeth and grinding acerbic analytical criticism. Miss the guy...even if he got on my nerves at times.


No, not gone and not burnt out.

Tired perhaps of the lack of critical thinking.

It seems that relating the reality message warrants only personal attacks and the merits be damned.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby nero » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 03:20:27

Hi all, I still read PO once in a while but rarely post anymore. There is just too much to keep up. PO has been a good place to discuss things. Aaron, Pops, Leanan and Montequest have all influenced my thinking by introducing me to concepts like Jevons and Tainter. So I would like to thank you all for the stimulating discussion.
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby JohnDenver » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 04:12:36

Wow, nero and Monte. Just like old times. Hope all of you 2004 oldtimers are happy and healthy.
I'll be posting here from time to time, so I'll see you in the forums!
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Re: Year 2004 board members, please check in!

Postby Carlhole » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 04:31:05

Cool! The strange looking thought-bubble avatar is back!
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Postby bobcousins » Wed 07 Nov 2007, 09:01:51

Well hello classmates. What did we learn?

I joined up all ready to be a doomer and everything. I was prepared to be blown away by the overwhelming evidence. My first post went:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')K, here I am.

Gee, am I in a cult now? :Cool:


But as time went on it became increasingly clear that after the undeniable proposition "that oil production will peak one day" everything after was pretty much conjecture, and in order to believe it completely and passionately like many of the people do, it was indeed akin to a cult. Well, I would never join a cult that would have me as a member.

Even with the price of oil up 300% since then, nothing much has changed.

Why even bother debating the merits of die-off vs population reduction, when the best analysis of people like Stuart Staniford based on loads of actual numbers cannot even get close to predicting oil production 3 years out?
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