[LaLaLand]

the corporate/government "news" media in the USA just took another step closer to soviet style propaganda aimed at information and thought control:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260015

hello! george orwell is turning over in his grave!

[Tyler_JC]

Does that reporter political affiliation take away from his credibility? If so, why would you listen to liberal reporters when they asked Democrats question?

I read through the article and found nothing wrong with his behavior. Was he too generous? Yes. Was he generous to the point of pandering? No.

He is right on several points. The unemployment numbers do not reflect the increase in self-employed individuals. The numbers also don't reflect those who have given up looking for work. So what's your point? The numbers are flawed, we know that. He just brought up that the numbers could also he flawed in the other direction. Maybe they are, I don't own Gallup, I can't do my own polls.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was talking about soup lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there's no crisis there.

[TrueKaiser]

add to this yet another news columnist who was payed by the bush administration to spread it's propaganda as truth in newspapers.

[JoeW]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')He is right on several points. The unemployment numbers do not reflect the increase in self-employed individuals.

[cmlek]

Hey JoeW:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rove it. Prove that there is a statistically significant increase in the number of self-employed Americans now versus when G. W. Bush took office. It can't be proved, because no one has the data!

[diceman99]

Its called propaganda.

I dont believe there is a good propaganda.
I purchase the newspaper to be given facts and read peoples opinion.

If I wanted to read Govt issued publications I would read those.

I'm not a Bush supporter, but I think it was very good of him to say that the practice should not be done.

[LaLaLand]

more from "talon" insider propagandists:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501280001

is your tax money used to fund lies reported back to you through the corporate/government "news".

[LaLaLand]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diceman99', 'I') dont believe there is a good propaganda.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')es there will be a long recession in the near future, but not a crash and burn scenario.

[LaLaLand]

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/ ... ex_np.html

another planted "journalist"... hmmmm

where is my TAX MONEY going again???

[JoeW]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cmlek', 'H')ey JoeW:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rove it. Prove that there is a statistically significant increase in the number of self-employed Americans now versus when G. W. Bush took office. It can't be proved, because no one has the data!

[LaLaLand]

more on "ganon-gate":

http://mediamatters.org/static/video/brock_courttv.mov

the conservative propaganda machine is once again is exposed!!!

[gg3]

Gannon/Guckert was clearly a fraudulent journalist with faked credentials (his "journalistic education" consisted of a two-day $50 seminar produced by one of the cofounders of the Moral Majority).

The fact that he got White House press credentials, when he couldn't even pass the background check to get press access to Congress, is incredible. Under any normal circumstances, the heightened security in the present era should and would have denied access to someone who was using a fake name and had a shady background that included running an "escort" (i.e. prostitution) website.

If you look over old tapes of press conferences, what you see is that this guy was generally used as a means by which the White House press guy could call on him and get a "softball" question in order to get out of having to answer a preceding "hardball" question from a legitimate journalist.

I don't personally have a problem with him reprinting quotes verbatim from White House press releases; however I do have a problem with him failing to note attribution of source on those. By failing to attribute source, it would make it appear as if those words were his own writing. That makes him a "mouth piece."

I smell a rat, and the rat's name is Karl Rove. Gannon/Guckert will turn out to be basically a fall-guy who could be used and then jettisoned at the appropriate time.

I cannot recall a time in the last half-century when an administration engaged in such an enormous degree of covert propaganda and manipulation of the media, which are also illegal.

Here's another thing, and this is important:

In a matter of one day or two at most, ALL of his previous writings, and ALL of his previous websites, were instantly sanitized, scrubbed, deleted, and taken off the air. Some of the business entities that he was involved in changed their names or ownerhship or other legal details.

There is no way one man alone could have done that amount of cleaning-up in such a short time, any more than one man alone could sweep up all the confetti on the street after a parade.

He had help, plenty of help, to shove all that stuff down the "memory hole" so quickly and effectively. Question is, who...?

(Though, you can still find it under the "cached" settings in Google or other major search engines, and in other internet archive respositories. Better go look quick before those places start getting hit with weird viruses or whatever.)

Speaking of viruses:

Some of Gannon/Guckert's web sites and some of the affiliated ones such as GOPUSA, have got some very weird viruses on them which are getting into computers that try to access these sites. BEWARE! If you're using Windows, make sure you're behind a damn good firewall. Linux too, apparently there was one report of a desktop Linux machine going down after accessing one of those sites. No reports of it hitting Macintoshes yet.

Question is, who created and deployed those viruses or whatever-they-really-are...? Once again, highly unlikely that Gannon/Guckert by himself, did all that cleanup and ass-covering in a matter of 48 hours.

This affair stinks to high heaven. It needs to be thoroughly investigated, exposed, and where relevant, criminal charges brought.

[TrueKaiser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome of Gannon/Guckert's web sites and some of the affiliated ones such as GOPUSA, have got some very weird viruses on them which are getting into computers that try to access these sites. BEWARE! If you're using Windows, make sure you're behind a damn good firewall. Linux too, apparently there was one report of a desktop Linux machine going down after accessing one of those sites. No reports of it hitting Macintoshes yet.

[LaLaLand]

Here you go "news" hounds. This story just keeps getting better and better. Because of the sexual overtones, this story is making its way into mainstream media. Of course this all plays to the rights advantage because they will start "homo baiting" and bashing in order to distract from the real story, which is/was planted right wing propagandists bought and paid for with YOUR tax money. Those of you who have been keeping up with the story are already noticing the political cycle evolve. 1. Story breaks and points out corrupt government practices 2. Real story makes its way around the internet 3. Right wing "blog-o-sphere" starts to spin and add bizarre misinformation in order to distract the public from the real "news" 4. Soon the real "news" is scrubbed and the story evolves into some sort of bizarre misinformation campaign aimed at the left and activists. Thus we are already seeing the gay overtones. We all know who is watching out for those horrible gays who want to rape your little boys! Isn't media politics great in this country!

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/20 ... house.html

[holmes]

but I think "peak oil" is environmentalist or conservationist propaganda.[/QUOTE]but I think "peak oil" is environmentalist or conservationist propaganda.[QUOTE]

are you that detached from the natural world? omygod help us. the destruction of the life sustaining resources is propaganda. observational science is now considered propaganda.talk about doom and gloom. this is pure doom and gloomn at its most pristine form. we are fucked. the thinking is so screwed up and detached. whos gonna help these people when it does get hard? Im not.there is nothing more doom and gloom is to see the absolute detachment from the natural order of nature. those are the doom and gloomers not the the scientists, etc that explain collected data. YOU FOLKS are the doomers. You are dooming us. Start thinking straight. analyze the data and make the corrections. Like a pilot. Ya aint doing the job.
Its like the jet liner with 500+ aboard that ctrashed into the mountains injapan. Knew it was coming but the hydraulics(the "modern brain") were broken. BAM!

[LaLaLand]

am i the only person following this story in the media?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/arts/ ... oref=login

[skiwi]

The Voice of the White House


April 27, 2005: “ Much terror here in the Fag Palace. It seems that Democratic Reps. Louise Slaughter of New York and John Conyers of Michigan filed a freedom of information request and were given Secret Service records of Gannon/ Guckert’s visits to the White House....
"
...My God, such fun! Seems that our professional male prostitute, phony “news” reporter and keeper of a Forbidden Journal, using a Secret Service day pass, visited the White House 196 times in two years, and spent the night 12 times! That’s right, spent the night 12 times.

Who did he spend the night with?....

[Plantagenet]

{thread split from here by emersonbiggins}

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'W')hat I was wondering is how might he use it against Congress.