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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby FoxV » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 12:04:44

Meth is pretty horrible stuff all right. Its made by dissolving Ephadrene (or psuedo-Ephadrene) in boiling gasoline and mixing in red phosphor. Needless to say lots of labs go up in smoke.

You could imagine the number such a concoction does to the body. Meth users are very easy to spot. Their skin is leathery (literally a chemical tan similar to the process of how leather is made) and their eyes and mouths droop down because the muscles in their face are decaying. They also have horrible teeth (if any at all) as the smoke dissolves the enamel.

Once addicted to meth, always addicted to meth. Nobody quits meth they just take a break for a period of time. Once their life get stressful, they're back on the pipe (which doesn't take that long as a meth addict usually messes themselves up pretty badly before they decide to "quit") If you get personally involved with a meth user be very careful they don't take you down with them. Arms length support only.

Although the song pretty much nails it, the video really doesn't do it justice

Green Day - Geek Stink Breath

btw, Ritalin is methylphenidate (as oppose to methamphetamine) the drugs are similar but Ritalin will never give you what meth does. Although its still a pretty harsh drug and should be banned (as opposed to massively prescribed to children).

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'l')ike the end of Koyaanisqatsi

boy does that bring me back. I watched it when it came out in the 80's when Global warming and Nuclear war where the Doom's du'jour. I need to watch it again under a PO lens.

Thanks for reminding me of it
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Chesire » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 13:12:45

Check out

Drugstore Cowboy
best scene in the film is the junkie priest telling Matt Dillon " They will use the drug problem to create an international police force " Lo and behold a few years after the time frame of the movie Interpol was created. quote and time of interpol forming are from memory so are most likely not exact.


Trainspotting another good movie about addiction.


For the kumbya feel good movie . There is the story of Bill and Bob not sure of the exact title . But you can /search Bill Wilson or Doctor Bob for the founding of AA .
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 13:14:49

I don't know anyone who has even tried meth, but know it's use is increasing in Vancouver and outlying areas. It's actually one of the reasons I'm on a small island with a small population. Someone could be a meth addict for about 2 weeks here, before the whole island knew about it. I know meth can kill, but that kind of gossip might kill you faster, or at least act as a deterrant. :)

I'm astounded so many of you have had such hideous experiences with this drug. Horrible. Interesting to note, too, that Holland has little experience with meth, though their drug (particularly marijuana laws) are the most relaxed in the world.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 14:37:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'S')ounds like something that will be showing up in the soldier of the (very near) future's daily rations!


Sorry to tell you, but that cat's already out of the bag. The military has been forcing some soldiers to take amphetamines (so called "go pills") for years. link There was a documentary a few years ago titled "War on Drugs" that interviewed some of the pilots and Special Forces guys that had been kicked out for refusing to take amphetamines. They described a lot of the same meth-type zombied out violent behavior in their colleagues who were high on go pills.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Also, Ritalin is methylphenidate and it is not even comparable to methamphetamine.

That's total baloney. Ritalin may not be chemically related to amphetamines, but it is pharmacologically just about indistinguishable. It has the same effects and the same side effects. It's used for the same conditions. Why do you think Ritalin is on DEA schedule II? (Schedule II drugs are the most abusable drugs that can legally be prescribed by a doctor. Cocaine and morphine are schedule II drugs.)
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 14:51:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('brewha', '
')Bas, in Holland you do see heavy amphetamine usage. Amphetamine and methamphetamine operate in the same manner on your brain. The only difference is one drug substance has a methyl group attached to it. Therefore, it is stronger and last longer. I'm sorry to tell you, but you do have this stuff in Holland. It is called MDMA (methylenedioxymethamphetamine). Notice the drug at the end of MDMA's name? Don't tell me that the devil's drug is not in your country.


Well, I know they call meth "supercharged" amphetamine, and amphetamine is bad enough, I've seen people change from that to quite fearless etc.

MDMA is xtc and it's less harmful and addictive than "normal" amphetamines. As a matter of fact your brain makes MDMA like molecules when you're in love. XTC was very popular in the late nineties here, and I believe holland at that time was the no 1 producer of that stuff at the time too. (we had a lot of lab raids in the late nineties, and it appears that those labs have now been dispersed to other countries)

The key ingredient for meth that you don't find in the other amphetamines is pseudophedrine.

I did search for meth in Holland on the internet and apparently there are only very small quantities of it on the streets, and you'd be very hardpressed to find some, if any at all. Maybe meth has already arrived here in a bigger way and it's only known on the streets, I don't know; I'm pretty sure it will at some point though.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Chuckmak » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 15:18:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'S')ounds like something that will be showing up in the soldier of the (very near) future's daily rations!


Sorry to tell you, but that cat's already out of the bag. The military has been forcing some soldiers to take amphetamines (so called "go pills") for years. link There was a documentary a few years ago titled "War on Drugs" that interviewed some of the pilots and Special Forces guys that had been kicked out for refusing to take amphetamines. They described a lot of the same meth-type zombied out violent behavior in their colleagues who were high on go pills.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Also, Ritalin is methylphenidate and it is not even comparable to methamphetamine.



That's total baloney. Ritalin may not be chemically related to amphetamines, but it is pharmacologically just about indistinguishable. It has the same effects and the same side effects. It's used for the same conditions. Why do you think Ritalin is on DEA schedule II? (Schedule II drugs are the most abusable drugs that can legally be prescribed by a doctor. Cocaine and morphine are schedule II drugs.)


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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby CarnbY » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 15:39:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'T')here's a meth movie called "Spun" that captures the whole thing rather well, though of course that means it's extremely disturbing.

It is also extremely funny! Peter Stormare plays a supporting role and is great as usual... Judas Priest singer Rob Halford also has a small role.

I don't think there's much meth in Norway, lots of speed though, regular amphetamine that is. Don't think there's much crack around... Heroin use has been high for some time though, especially in Oslo. The first thing people see when coming out of the train station is junkies scattered all over the place. There was an interview with some Spanish tourists in the paper this summer, they were convinced that heroin was legalized here since they saw people shooting up everywhere... I wish the government would learn from countries like Switzerland how to better deal with it. Sorry for hijacking the thread Bas, but does anyone know if Seattle has had any success in dealing with their heroin problem in recent years?
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 19:17:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('brewha', '
')Notice the drug at the end of MDMA's name? Don't tell me that the devil's drug is not in your country.


The methamphetamine in methylenedioxymethamphetamine does not have the same affect as straight methamphetamine. In pharmacology every little detail matters as to what effects it does and what harm it does. Straight-up methamphetamine is much more damaging to the brain and mainly affects dopamine levels in the synaptic cleft, rather than MDMA which mainly effects seratonin.

Seeing someone rolling on E, they are smiley, happy and huggy - the whole empathy and warmth thing.
Seeing someone on methamphetamine is just scary, cold, detached and sometimes violent. The smile they have is just different than the loved-up smile of someone on E.

Not to condone meth use or anything, but if all those meth addicts had pure meth made in professional laboratories, I think those icky physical side effects like meth mouth wouldn't take hold as much, especially if taken orally
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Daculling » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 20:25:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', ' ')I think those icky physical side effects like meth mouth wouldn't take hold as much, especially if taken orally


So I take it peeps are smoking it instead of storting it now... great...
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 21:02:11

meth is the worst drug... but I'm still against prohibition of any drug.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 21:36:30

Wow, this is really sad and depressing to know that so many people are directly affected by such, or any, narcotic. I personally have never known one to use this drug nor heard of any of it being in areas around me, but I guess that's one of the few perks of the suburbs: these types of issues have less influence (although not completely free).
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