[SilverHair]

I just about fall out of my chair when I hear Georgie Porgie Bush wanting to bring freedom to the rest of the world, while he drops his pants on shits on freedom in the USA. It this dope even alive; perhaps he is a computer generated "it" that seeks to reach the lowest level of intellegence of the USA population.

Are you all really that stupid? Maybe so.

[trespam]

Here's the way it works: Everyone thinks Bush is exporting freedom. But actually, we're outsourcing it. Once BushCo has completed the offshoring of freedom, we'll all be in chains here in the US.

It's the american way. And it's the last thing we have to export. But in traditional american fashion, rather than export it, we're going to offshore it.

Bush is assuming we'll be able to purchase freedom in the future from China using money loaned to us by the same.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '
')Bush is assuming we'll be able to purchase freedom in the future from China using money loaned to us by the same.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilverHair', 'I') just about fall out of my chair when I hear Georgie Porgie Bush wanting to bring freedom to the rest of the world, while he drops his pants on shits on freedom in the USA.

[SilverHair]

Good thing we don't have a department of freedom, else we would likely think we are in charge of our own lives.

How is it that smallpox is so bad and smallpox girl is ever so good

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilverHair', 'G')ood thing we don't have a department of freedom, else we would likely think we are in charge of our own lives.

How is it that smallpox is so bad and smallpox girl is ever so good

[TrueKaiser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilverHair', 'G')ood thing we don't have a department of freedom, else we would likely think we are in charge of our own lives.

How is it that smallpox is so bad and smallpox girl is ever so good

[PenultimateManStanding]

Perhaps, truekaiser, one thing to come out of peak oil will be to bring down the doctors, lawyers, and indian chiefs who put themselves too high and mighty.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')hatever happened to Doctors visiting patients instead of making them wait two and a half hours in the lobby reading every freaking Time magazine since 1993?

[PenultimateManStanding]

There is no doubt in my mind, what you say is true. I weep for our world where power and money rules.

[Kingcoal]

You have to understand the GWB definition of freedom. Freedom to go in debt and become a consumer. In Germany, for example, you don't need a school loan, college is free provided you pass entrance exams. Look for GWB to complain about that. In his mind, not being able to buy an Ivy League degree is the highest form of tyranny. In Germany, GWB might be stuck as a sanitation engineer!

[Aaron]

In fact, lots of horrible things are actually beneficial.

Slavery is only seen as a bad thing when viewed in a vacuum.

Seen in context, slavery was actually a wonderful development.

How can I make this claim?

Because before slavery became popular, conquering nations simply killed their enemies. The value judgment must include what it replaced to have meaning.

Slavery also enabled ancient peoples to accomplish things impossible without a captive labor force.

So how many things also fall into this category?

Will future generations look back and view peak oil as "better" than what it replaced?

[Jack]

I seem to recall that in France, a few centuries ago, families would sell themselves into serfdom, which was a form of slavery.

The owner would take care of the various needs of the slaves, including clothing, food, and shelter.

I fully expect slavery to return in 50 years or so. Then again, there are certain trends that suggest it may come back a great deal sooner.

[arocoun]

Slavery may or may not be better than death, but the wars which caused them both are bad no matter what. In the same way, peak oil may or may not be better than the continuation of this society into whatever alternate future it may have had without peak oil, but either way, the society which caused it all will be seen as bad. If peak oil is really the lesser of two evils, it is still an evil, with an evil cause (selfish, unsustainable consumption of natural resources).

[Zentric]

... and black and brown, too! As seen posted on the job board at the employment agency:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]June 10, 2007
Destitute? Cant pay your bills? Considered working in the agriculture industry? Now hiring spinach pickers at $1.50 New Dollars/hour, minus relocation expenses.
Inquiries at front desk or e-mail to: spinach_pickers@dept.agriculture.usa.gov.

[FoxV]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow hiring spinach pickers at $1.50 New Dollars/hour, minus relocation expenses.

[Jack]

The wages are far too optimistic.

Sharecropping was the classic method. The sharecropper generally got 2/3 of what was produced, but the agreement was sometimes for equal shares.

Given the high supply of labor and the limited supply of land, the sharecropper might be glad to get one-half of what was produced.

[MicroHydro]

In New Zealand they have "share milkers", same idea.

[MD]

A day's work for a day's grain is will become the norm.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A') day's work for a day's grain is will become the norm.