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How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby skjhlkj » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 19:53:48

I'm new to the peak oil thing, and I think it's gonna be terrible when we ran out of oil (economically).
I just saw the news that oil price spiked up to $93, and mainly because Mexico shut down productions (due to weather, I suppose).

But just exactly how tight is our oil supply? Is the demand greater than supply right now? How high is our winter demand for oil? I can understand the high summer demand for oil (driving season?), but is there any high demand for oil in the winter?

If, somehow, politics got stabilized in middle east, Mexico production came back, and U.S. dollars got stabilized as well, would price come back down?

boy, if oil price keep going up, we gonna have problems with inflation, recessions, and all sort of other problem. :?
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby Satori » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 20:16:32

check out the website Life After the Oil Crash,both the forum and the breaking news section will give you plenty to be depressed about,the Peak Oil site is obviously a great place for more information
there are also numerous books out on Peak Oil, a quick web search will bring up numerous references
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 21:56:40

I have found this link to be a good initial overview of what the basic problem is for new folks.

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/gene/peakoil/

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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby jedinvest » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 22:19:19

But, is this it? Is this when we can no longer acknowledge that our future is limitless?? Is this not only when everybody gets it, but when there are effects, like gas prices going to $5.00 and possibly rationing in a matter of months??
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby Satori » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 01:09:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedinvest', 'B')ut, is this it? Is this when we can no longer acknowledge that our future is limitless?? Is this not only when everybody gets it, but when there are effects, like gas prices going to $5.00 and possibly rationing in a matter of months??



you might want to read Kunstler's "The Long Emergency"
it will give you a pretty good idea of what things may be like
keep in mind we could have a sudden collapse if the oil supply is cut off by a terrorist attack on a Saudi oil field,or if the US attacks
Iran and they start sinking tankers in the Straits of Hormuz
peak oil is something we will see in hindsight it may actually be 2-3 years before we know,as of know it looks like production of both conventional and non-conventional did peak in mid 2006
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby joewp » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 01:52:35

It's really tight. It's so tight that for the last several years the poorer countries around the world haven't been able to get enough fuel to continue living as they had. There's a thread here that highlights the troubles around the world. This will only get worse as oil climbs past $90 and into three-figure price territory. The effects are already being felt in the US, what do you think the housing crisis is a symptom of? On top of that, there's many people here who are hurting badly from near $3.00/gallon gas and $2.80/gallon heating oil, or will be soon.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f, somehow, politics got stabilized in middle east, Mexico production came back, and U.S. dollars got stabilized as well, would price come back down?


If all that happened, then yes the price would come down somewhat, but it would only be temporary as the growing world economies would slurp up that extra production quickly and we'd be back in the same boat in a year or two as world production continued it's inexorable descent. The trend would still be up. And up. And up...

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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby yull » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 06:02:15

Our current supply is very tight. World oil production has now been stagnant for around 2-3 years as the Peak Oil plateau sets in. Current production now is only about 85.5 million barrels per day while demand for the 4th quarter of this year is expected to be 88mbd, so there is a clear shortfall. This is why the price of oil is so high.
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby aahala » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 11:22:08

Chances are the supply relative to demand is a lot less tight
than it was 48 hours ago. $93 oil tends to reduce the amount
demanded.

Now if you want to count as "demand" the folks wanting to
pay $60 or $40 or $20, or any dollar amount below current
market prices, that is always much greater than supply.
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby inculcated » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 14:40:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'N')ow if you want to count as "demand" the folks wanting to pay $60 or $40 or $20, or any dollar amount below current market prices, that is always much greater than supply.


You do stand up on the side? What degreed economist would consider such claptrap? Sheesh...
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby skjhlkj » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 00:22:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yull', 'O')ur current supply is very tight. World oil production has now been stagnant for around 2-3 years as the Peak Oil plateau sets in. Current production now is only about 85.5 million barrels per day while demand for the 4th quarter of this year is expected to be 88mbd, so there is a clear shortfall. This is why the price of oil is so high.


I have heard this kind of statements regarding the current supply and demand in the crude oil market. And I'm not here to question the reliability of the statement. But where is this statement coming from?
Where can I look it up? (again, I'm new, I just want to learn more. 8) )

Also, if the demand is going to be greater than supply, wouldn't the price of Oil just keep on going up?

I mean, I know that higher price would decrease demand. But oil is one thing that we need almost at any price. Sure the demand would go down if the price go to $250, but we still need oil. Our economic is build on oil.
I felt that the "demand" isn't just any "demand", but the "demand" is our economic. I think when the price goes up, it will be our economic that would "decrease."

Another question I have is regarding about the policy on Iraq. I really don't think that things would change much if we stay. I'm no military expert, but it seems that there have not being any "significant" improvement. Reporters have to hire $1000/day mercenary just to get around without getting killed.
On the other hand, if we leave, Iraq would supposedly become a hot zone for civil war. And if we let them fight it out, what would happen to the oil in Iraq? Aren't Iraq currently exporting 2m bpd? (please correct me if I'm wrong). By the way,How much oil was Iraq exporting before the war?
If we leave, wouldn't the oil supply decrease another 2million bpd for at least a year to who knows when the civil war ends?

Also, Russia is trying to get friendly to Iran. From an interview I saw, Russia's main goal is to keep up the conflict in middle east, therefore maintain a high oil price. Higher oil price helps Putin.
(is this right? ) How much oil is Russia exporting?

everywhere I look, things looks bad. I'm one and half year from graduating college. I can't imagine graduate into a recession job market. :?
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 19:38:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skjhlkj', 'A')lso, if the demand is going to be greater than supply, wouldn't the price of Oil just keep on going up?

I mean, I know that higher price would decrease demand. But oil is one thing that we need almost at any price. Sure the demand would go down if the price go to $250, but we still need oil. Our economic is build on oil.


Bummer aye?

As regard to price, well you'd think there would be a slow down or a decrease in people paying for oil. But always remember that governments define their existence, "Economic Growth must be maintained to ensure jobs for all etc etc..."

This is what is driving the demand beyond what we can physically supply.

Not to mention the fact that the population has grown exponentially alongside the demand for oil.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skjhlkj', 'e')verywhere I look, things looks bad. I'm one and half year from graduating college. I can't imagine graduate into a recession job market. :?


Oh you'll graduate. But it won't be a recession, it will be a depression, and there won't be a job market at all. Peak oil my have caught your eye, but you need to look beyond the inital issue of running out of oil.

Here are some hopefully useful (and yes thoroughly depressing) sites for you to "enojy".

Two things I always put from threads I started myself (yes I know it's self promotion, but the replies in thesetwo posts from more senior posters is worth me linking).

Keeping things simple, with a must see link for Dr Bartlett's lecture about Exponential Growth
One about EROEI, and you think Peak Oil is bad.
Yes Mankind is REALLY stupid!
Oil depletion map.
A better oil map
World oil supply and demand charts (you may need Mircosoft's Excel viewer)
Classic Hardcore Doomer Porn (you will never want to leave your college campus again)

I think that may be enough.
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby Revi » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 22:51:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skjhlkj', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yull', 'O')ur current supply is very tight. World oil production has now been stagnant for around 2-3 years as the Peak Oil plateau sets in. Current production now is only about 85.5 million barrels per day while demand for the 4th quarter of this year is expected to be 88mbd, so there is a clear shortfall. This is why the price of oil is so high.


I have heard this kind of statements regarding the current supply and demand in the crude oil market. And I'm not here to question the reliability of the statement. But where is this statement coming from?
Where can I look it up? (again, I'm new, I just want to learn more. 8) )

:?


Check out Chris Skrebowski on The Oil Drum. He had a neat graph with the peak oil plateau, which he predicts will hold up until the summer of 2009. After that we start to lose 4% per year and we fall off the plateau. The price continues the climb. He shows that we peaked in 2006 at around 86 million barrels per day. We are post peak now.
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Re: How "tight" is our current oil supply?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 20:42:30

Study this page and I think you'll see what's going on.

According to that page, the US has a 20 day supply of oil. I'm sure the UK has a similar situation. That's the buffer between us and anything interfering with the oil supply.

There's an article on the front page of this site saying someone in Congress is agitating to dip into that. I think it's a bad sign if Congress isn't even aware of what's going on.
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