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Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 23:51:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It doesn't make any sense for you to accuse this poor guy of being a terrorist without any evidence to support your claim. Remember....the Canadian police info claiming he was a terrorist was bogus. Rolling Eyes


Are you really this dumb? The US government, at the time, thought he was a terrorist (supporter). So yes, it does matter and they should suspect him of such activities and thus treat him as such, as a suspect and not give him away to foreign nations, let alone nations that sponsor terrorism, according to the government.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')He was deported to Syria because he was a citizen of Syria.


So the US arrests him because of suspected terrorist activities and then deports him for being a citizen of Syria and having no reason to be in N. America? Again, making no sense if you view it correctly, through the prism that he is a suspect of being a terrorist.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e said the U.S. deported Arar to protect Americans –- and had every right to do so.



AG John Ashcroft seems to think otherwise about the reason that the US handed him over to the Syrians.
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This is the same man that had been either duped or lied about being assured by a "terrorist supporting regime" that Arar would not be tortured. Whew. So you know that there wasn't going to be any torture when the Syrians assure us that there won't be.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he next day Ashcroft told reporters that prior to transferring Arar to Syria via Jordan, the US had obtained assurances from the Syrian government that Arar would not be mistreated.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here else do you think he should have been deported to?


When the US deported him, he was still a suspected terrorist, right? (Hell, we know that they did because the US still thinks that he is a terrorist even after Syria and Canada cleared him) So why would they deport a suspected terrorist? Isn't that the reason we have a Justice department, Gitmo, prison system, investigative units, etc? So that we don't have to use 7th century tactics of extracting information?
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 00:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It doesn't make any sense for you to accuse this poor guy of being a terrorist without any evidence to support your claim. Remember....the Canadian police info claiming he was a terrorist was bogus. Rolling Eyes


Are you really this dumb? The US government, at the time, thought he was a terrorist (supporter).


Are you really this dumb? The Canadian government, at the time, erroneously told the U.S. Government that he was a terrorist supporter. With hindsight, we now know he was wrongly accused by the Canadians, but at the time the inaccurate information from Canada was thought trustworthy. Canada just paid this man millions of dollars to compensate him for their failures. The fact that Canada wouldn't allow this poor man back into Canada made him effectively stateless. As a result the U.S. deported him to his home country, Syria. [smilie=new_popcornsmiley.gif]
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Blacksmith » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 03:00:00

If he is such a good Canadain why does he have dual citizenship, and whats the big deal about his no fly status in the United States.

Syria has been and still is a very good friend of the US providing useful intellegence for years.
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 08:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Canadian government, at the time, erroneously told the U.S. Government that he was a terrorist supporter.


So why deport a suspected terrorist to a terrorist supporting nation?

And we didn't deport him because Canada wouldn't take him. We sent him to Syria because he was a suspected harm to US citizens as John Ashcroft said. I've said this before yet you continue to ignorantly say, without proof, that the US would hand a suspected terrorist over to a terrorist state (which is idiotic). So you're either lying or you need to go back to the 5th grade and take a reading comprehension class.
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Blacksmith » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 11:14:22

Canada is a terrorist supporting nation and yet is a good friend of the United States like Syria, both were in the collation during the first gulf war.
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 12:11:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'C')anada is a terrorist supporting nation and yet is a good friend of the United States like Syria, both were in the collation during the first gulf war.


You mean coalition? How did you mess that one up?

That may be the case, but Canada probably doesn't support any terrorist groups that are out to attack the US, but according to the gov't, Syria does.

But you do bring up a point I've been trying to make. This guy was a suspected terrorist. Why hand him over to any nation (let alone a nation that supports terrorists against the US like Syria)?
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Blacksmith » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 12:22:53

If money is collected to fund terrorist organizations and not stopped is that not a terrorist supporting nation. Syria may have different interests in the Middle East but is still a peace loving nation like China and a good friend of the US.
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 12:34:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')Why hand him over to any nation (let alone a nation that supports terrorists against the US like Syria)?


1. The US deports people who are in the US illegally. Its the law.

2. The US deported this gentleman to his home country. Its the law. [smilie=5flowerface.gif]
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 12:43:29

Continue to play dumb (although maybe you aren't playing...) It's clear you can't and won't answer the question because then you'd have to admit you're wrong, just like you were wrong when you claimed that Canada kidnapped him. :lol:
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 12:59:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'C')ontinue to play dumb (although maybe you aren't playing...) It's clear you can't and won't answer the question because then you'd have to admit you're wrong, just like you were wrong when you claimed that Canada kidnapped him. :lol:


Continue to play dumb (although probably you have no choice). Its clear you are either pretending to misunderstand or are incapable of understanding that the poor gentleman was deported to his home country because he had no papers to enter the US and Canada wouldn't allow him into Canada and he was a citizen of his home country. Where else should he be deported to except his home country? Foreigners are deported all the time when they arrive at U.S. airports without the appropriate visas etc. Get it? :-D
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 13:36:42

Mr. Arar was inadmissible to the United States under Section 235C of the Immigration and Nationality Act, because he is not is not a citizen of the United States; he is a native of Syria and is a citizen of Syria and a legal resident of Canada; he arrived in the United States on September 26, 2002 and applied for admission as a non-immigrant in transit through the United States, destined to Canada; but Canada refused to admit him and told the US Mr. Arar was not a legal resident of Canada.

It appears Mr. Arar had a "well-founded" fear of being persecuted in Syria. He was probably entitled to apply for refugee status in the U.S. but he failed to do so. Mr. Arrar had a meeting with a Canadian counsellor official after he was detained, as he was entitled under international law after he claimed that he was a legal resident of Canada, prior to his deportation. Mr. Arar expected the Canadian government to support him in his claims that he was a legal Canadian resident, but instead they told the US that Mr. Arar was not entitled to enter Canada.

The US therefore deported him to what was apparently the only country he was legally entitled to reside in (i.e. Syria) as required under the Immigration and Nationality Act. :lol:
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 13:50:53

More BS from the guy that claimed Canada kidnapped Arar. Just priceless.
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Re: Sorry is the hardest word - for Condoleezza

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 14:11:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'M')ore BS from the guy that claimed Canada kidnapped Arar. Just priceless.


More BS from the guy that makes excuses for Canada's betrayal of Arar. Thats his 2 cents worth.

PS: The info that Mekrob is calling "BS" comes from Arar's own website. :roll:

PPS: Here's how Wikipedia describes these unfortunate events: "On September 26, 2002, during a stopover in New York City en route from a family vacation in Tunisia to Montreal, Arar was detained by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS was acting upon information supplied by the RCMP.[8] Arar was deported to Syria, the country where he was born and raised and remains a citizen. Although he was also a citizen of Canada and was travelling on a Canadian passport, Canadian officials erroneously informed the United States that he was no longer a resident of their nation. :lol:
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