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Is the Fed intentionally destroying the US dollar to speed the process of integration of the North American Union?

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Re: Hal Turner Claims to have the amero

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 11:09:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'h')ey now, who asked you! and what the hell are barfing spiders and where are they not going anyway?

A reference to the Bomenian club, the owl on the dollar bill and the lack of the "spiders webs" on the dollar bill, a sign that hangs outside the Bohemian club which reads "weaving spider's come not here" and the lack of said spiders webs on said dollar bills near said owl which is supposedly a Herald and a symbol of the ancient god Moloch.
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Re: Hal Turner Claims to have the amero

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 14:37:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'A') reference to the Bomenian club, the owl on the dollar bill and the lack of the "spiders webs" on the dollar bill, a sign that hangs outside the Bohemian club which reads "weaving spider's come not here" and the lack of said spiders webs on said dollar bills near said owl which is supposedly a Herald and a symbol of the ancient god Moloch.

oh, i see. thanks for the education!
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Re: Hal Turner Claims to have the amero

Unread postby Novus » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 15:48:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'A') reference to the Bomenian club, the owl on the dollar bill and the lack of the "spiders webs" on the dollar bill, a sign that hangs outside the Bohemian club which reads "weaving spider's come not here" and the lack of said spiders webs on said dollar bills near said owl which is supposedly a Herald and a symbol of the ancient god Moloch.
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LOL I pulled out a dollar and can see it with my own eyes. Why do these super evil world controlling powers put these little symbols all over the place? It just to say to those who know too much, yeah we own you.
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Vincente Fox confirms existence of Amero!

Unread postby Cynus » Fri 12 Oct 2007, 12:31:17

In an interview last night on CNN’s “Larry King Live,” the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, confirmed the existence of a government plan to create the amero as a new regional currency to replace the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar and the Mexican Peso. It possibly was the first time a leader of Mexico, Canada or the U.S. openly confirmed a plan to create a regional currency. Fox explained the current regional trade agreement is intended to evolve into other previously hidden aspects of integration.

According to a transcript published by CNN, King, near the end of the broadcast, asked Fox a question e-mailed from a listener, a Ms. Gonzalez from Elizabeth, N.J.: “Mr. Fox, I would like to know how you feel about the possibility of having a Latin America united with one currency?”

Fox answered in the affirmative, admitting he and President Bush had agreed to pursue the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas “ a free-trade zone extending throughout the Western Hemisphere – and that part of the plan was to institute a regional currency from Canada to the tip of South America. “Long term, very long term,” he said. “What we proposed together, President Bush and myself, it’s ALCA, which is a trade union for all the Americas.” ALCA is the acronym for the Area de Libre Comercio de las Americas, the name of the FTAA in Spanish.

King, evidently startled by Fox’s revelation of the currency, asked pointedly, “It’s going to be like the euro dollar, you mean?” “Well, that would be long, long term,” Fox repeated.

Fox noted the FTAA plan had been thwarted by Hugo Chavez, the radical socialist president of Venezuela. “Everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came,” Fox commented. “He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea.”

Fox explained that he and Bush intended to proceed incrementally, establishing FTAA as an economic agreement first and waiting to create an amero-type currency later “ a plan Fox also suggested was in place for NAFTA itself. “I think the process to go, first step is trading agreement,” Fox said. “And then further on, a new vision, like we are trying to do with NAFTA.”
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Re: Vincente Fox confirms existence of Amero!

Unread postby Geko45 » Fri 12 Oct 2007, 17:22:54

Well whatdaya know old Papa Chavez turned out to be useful afterall. This still worries me.

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Proof of AMero

Unread postby aardvarkthumper » Wed 24 Oct 2007, 09:09:21

Fake AMeros are minted as a LIMITED COIN SET to throw off the truth.
It takes a candaian paper to tell us what is happeinging in our country, sad: click here to read
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Amero, North American Union Debut of the 'amero' By Judi McLeod
Thursday, December 14, 2006
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he People's Republic of China, long lauded by America's enemies as the world's next economic power, will be the country that will force the creation of the `North American Union' (NAU).
Kofi Annan's former pointman, Canadian Maurice Strong, has been boasting from Chinese soil that China soon would be replacing America as economic king, using the jingo that's the official language at Turtle Bay.

The billions of dollars China has invested in the flagging American economy will be worthless. They will have to negotiate the exchange rate to the new amero. This will then force the creation of the North American Union.
Pope John Paul II, Euro The cloak of the NAU, fashioned in secrecy, will be thrown over an unsuspecting public, erasing the borders of three countries. Mexico, which already has legions of its citizens living and working inside America, is, in effect already inside the NAU. Their governments will inform the American and Canadian people that there is no option but the bread line.

Unfortunately, the plan, which has been in place for some time, now, has been all but ignored by the mainstream media.
One of the signs that the NAU is on its way is the collapse of the American greenback dollar paving the way for the debut of the 'amero'.
"Two analysts who have reconstructed money supply data after the Fed stopped publishing it argue a coming dollar collapse will set the stage for creating the amero as a North American currency to replace the dollar," (WorldNetDaily, Dec. 13, 2006).

The euro followed the same blueprint of stealth and surprise. It was already issued as replacement currency before the masses could coalesce to fight it.
Who ever would have dreamed that the euro of a secular bureaucracy one day would be accepted for use at the Vatican? Pope John Paul II, who repeatedly condemned the "moral drift" of secular Brussels, sanctioned an official Euro for the Vatican.

In appearance, the Vatican coin looks very much like other Euro coins. But on the flip side of the coin, the image of Pope John Paul II faces left.
"By permitting his image on this new coin, John Paul II has given another symbolic and powerful stimulus to the European Union, which with the issuance of the Euro, is taking an important step towards the Universal Republic," said Atila Sinke Guimarnes in Daily Catholic.
Was it all that long ago when people said the formation of the European Union was impossible? Today, the EU European holds 27 nations under its authority with other countries lined up for membership.

In the US, experts are now predicting that the collapse of the dollar is imminent.
"People in the U.S. are going to be hit hard," says Bob Chapman publisher of The International Forecaster newsletter. "In the severe recession we are entering now, Bush will argue that we have to form a North American Union to compete with the Euro."
"Creating the amero," Chapman explained, "will be presented to the American public as the administration's solution for dollar recovery. In the process of creating the amero, the Bush administration just abandons the dollar."

While the amero is being groomed to enter stage left, another phenomenon has been gathering steam outside of media headlines.
The North American Union, which got its start in secrecy, has been pulled out of the closet by a grass-roots effort, that will force it onto the agenda when Nancy Pelosi and Company open the 100th congress next month.
Pressed on by Conservative Caucus Chairman Howard Phillips; WND columnist and author Jerome Corsi; activist and American icon Phyllis Schlafly, leaders of the 50-member strong coalition are poised to halt any effort by the U.S. to enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.

Members of Schlafly's Eagle Forum have been in training for the past two months to lobby on Capitol Hill when Congress convenes.
The resolution--sponsored by Republican Reps. Virgil Goode Jr. of Virginia, Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Walter Jones of North Carolina, and Ron Paul of Texas--expresses "the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union (NAU) with Mexico or Canada."

It's no idle boast when Phillips says, "this could be the most important project on which we've ever worked."
Armed with the Internet release of about 1,000 documents, obtained in a Freedom of Information Act request to the Security ad Prosperity Partnership of North America, the coalition has the potential to embarrass the governments of all three countries.
According to Corsi, "the documents show the White House is engaging in collaborative relations with Mexico and Canada--outside the U.S. Constitution.

Very little about the NAU has been covered by the Canadian media.
The stage has been carefully set and only intervention will stop North America from taking the same stealth route that Europe took in creating the European Union and its legal tender the Euro.


look at the article and see whose picture is on the coin of the Euro,
Hint-it is not a zionist, ha ha ha.
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What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Denny » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 01:54:46

Right now, I do no think most Canadian are not in favor, as our dollar is getting so much stronger. But, this has been shown by history to a short lived phenomen.

I think that if Canada is ever to adopt a common currency, now may be the unique window of opportunity for Canada.

I heard a commentator talk today about the advantages of this, stating how Mexico offers an affordable work force and Canada has a welath of resources. But, I am nt so clear as to wht the U.S. brings to the table. I suppose this may be managment skills snd th broad financial marketplace.

What do most Americas think about the possibiliity of the Amero?

I have noticed in Europe that after adopting the Euro, they now have developed base minimum wages wages, as a way, I assume, to provide a common floor, so work does not flock out of one place for another. In fact, its actually higher than the minimum wages in Canada and the U.S., translating to about $12.50 per hour. Kind of surprising, in that you don't usually think of regualr people in places like Spain and Ireland making that kind of money. How times have changed for them.

Likewise the European Union has made many other trade rulings that have eroded some of the national sovereignty. That may be difficult for Canadians and Americans. Heck, in Canada, our provinces seem to have so much autonomy by themselves.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby virgincrude » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 04:04:13

You might like to start reading about the movement behind these schemes to unite large swathes of geography under 'common currency' and eventually one government: link. I do think the current depreciation and destruction of the dollar is being carefully managed in order to ease the introduction of the Amero.

As a European, I enjoy the ease of travel between countries and knowing that I don't have to exchange money each time I do. But, the introduction of the Euro brought great price hikes here, and I know neighbouring country's populations struggled with this (still do) particularly, you might find the story of Greece interesting: turned out they lied to the regulating commission in order to make it appear their currency/economy was at the level required by the date required in order to introduce the Euro. There were street riots when the new currency came in, as thousands of people could suddenly no longer afford day to day products.

You would not see Mexican peasants' lives improve after the introduction of the 'Amero', unlike Spain, that country has not enjoyed a long period of economic growth and social stability. In the light of Peak Oil and the drastic decline of Cantarell, it's obvious any hopes for bringing Mexico into the fold are scuppered. So where does the plan for the Amero go after conquering Canada?
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby the_sword » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 10:28:34

Personally I'm for it... I think it solves several problems.
Mexico needs jobs and less corruption. I also think it will take the gut out of any separatist movement in the south western states... i.e. it could very well stop a war.
Canada needs a work force and apparently (judging by where most Canadians live) warmer weather or jobs.
The US needs resources from Canada, labor the both, and the southern boarder closed off.
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I have been to Mexico though, and think it will be as hard to 'integrate' (read: educate) some of the Mexican's (read: Indians) as blacks... and the last thing the US needs is more inner cities resembling the third world by being filled up with Uneducatable, violent people.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Chesire » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 11:32:22

What the majority of the people think is irrelevant unless they decide en masse to start printing their own currency and using it.

I speculate it will be done in one fell swoop your current bank accounts will be converted to ameros. Any cash on hand will be honored and as soon as it hits the bank will be destroyed. It will be great, the american majority will vote themselves the profits of Canada's resources to subsidize entitlement programs. The mexicans will vote themselves a set of entitlements paid for with Canada's resources. Well it will be great for anyone who is not canadian. Then again no one is going to hear you complaining from behind the barbed wire fences of the KBR camps anyways.p
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Alcassin » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 12:38:45

I'm Pole, I don't want Euro, it will be only in interest of stronger economies (especially when rates by central banks are universal for all Euro countries).

The same will be with Amero - it will be in the interest of US. So I hope Canadians and Mexicans are wise enough.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby zoidberg » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 13:27:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'T')he same will be with Amero - it will be in the interest of US. So I hope Canadians and Mexicans are wise enough.

We are. America is far too close and too big, and recently too aggressive for a prudent leader to allow them such great control over our sovereignty. We have so few good levers to maintain a tight control on our sovereignty as it is, I just cant see any Canadian leader selling us out that way. As long as we have a functioning democracy anyways, not the "bipartisan" facade down south.
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offtopic: Likewise I hope you Europeans keep voting down that constitution as well. If that gets voted in you'll soon find your sovereignty leaking away as well. And theres no such thing as vote to remove it either, although there will undoubtedly be multiple votes to get it in.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Chesire » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 13:55:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'T')he same will be with Amero - it will be in the interest of US. So I hope Canadians and Mexicans are wise enough.

We are. America is far too close and too big, and recently too aggressive for a prudent leader to allow them such great control over our sovereignty. We have so few good levers to maintain a tight control on our sovereignty as it is, I just cant see any Canadian leader selling us out that way. As long as we have a functioning democracy anyways, not the "bipartisan" facade down south.

How to preserve canadian soverignty in three easy steps.
1. Remove all restrictions on weapons ownership. IE if you can afford an M1 tank you can have one.
2. Offer canadian citizenship no strings attached to all US military personell and their families. Show up with a dd 214 at the canadian embassy and voila you have dual citizenship.
3. Make shooting into the national past time.
In other words copy the Swiss model. Or the welsh model of every boy having a bow upon the age or 10 or 12 .
This would give you a de facto standing militia and any country not just america would think twice about getting pushy )>
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Blammo » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 14:10:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'H')ow to preserve canadian soverignty in three easy stepsL
1. Remove all restrictions on weapons ownership. IE if you can afford an M1 tank you can have one.
2. Offer canadian citizenship no strings attached to all US military personell and their families. Show up with a dd 214 at the canadian embassy and voila you have dual citizenship.
3. Make shooting into the national past time.
In other words copy the Swiss model. Or the welsh model of every boy having a bow upon the age or 10 or 12 .
This would give you a de facto standing militia and any country not just america would think twice about getting pushy )>

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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Chesire » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 15:10:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blammo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'T')he same will be with Amero - it will be in the interest of US. So I hope Canadians and Mexicans are wise enough.

We are. America is far too close and too big, and recently too aggressive for a prudent leader to allow them such great control over our sovereignty. We have so few good levers to maintain a tight control on our sovereignty as it is, I just cant see any Canadian leader selling us out that way. As long as we have a functioning democracy anyways, not the "bipartisan" facade down south.
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[offtopic]Likewise I hope you Europeans keep voting down that constitution as well. If that gets voted in you'll soon find your sovereignty leaking away as well. And theres no such thing as vote to remove it either, although there will undoubtedly be multiple votes to get it in.
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How to preserve canadian soverignty in three easy steps.
1. Remove all restrictions on weapons ownership. IE if you can afford an M1 tank you can have one.
2. Offer canadian citizenship no strings attached to all US military personell and their families. Show up with a dd 214 at the canadian embassy and voila you have dual citizenship.
3. Make shooting into the national past time.
In other words copy the Swiss model. Or the welsh model of every boy having a bow upon the age or 10 or 12 .
This would give you a de facto standing militia and any country not just america would think twice about getting pushy )>

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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby auscanman » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 16:42:40

Completely against the Amero. Mexico's future looks as grim as could possibly be. It will be a miserable, 3rd world failed state within 15 years. The US is headed for a long painful decline from glory as well. The US dollar is already declining pretty rapidly. Canada is the only North American country with a potentially bright future. The Amero would absolutely hammer Canada.

Why would any Canadian want to adopt the Amero and thereby subsidize the US reaping of our resources when there is an eager, alternative buyer in China? Also, US policies would effectively dictate the value of the Amero, and given their track record, the Amero would inevitably meet the same fate as the US dollar. I think just about everything in Canada would be harmonized with the US.

Amero= end of Canada
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Denny » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 20:25:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', 'C')ompletely against the Amero. Mexico's future looks as grim as could possibly be. It will be a miserable, 3rd world failed state within 15 years.

Let's not forget that the U.S. is still the world leader in many types of scientific and medical research. Yes, it has some problems right now, but given enlightened leadership and a better national spirit, maybe after the Bush adminsitration departs, we'll see the sun rise on a renewed, glorious America.
Also, I assume that the new Amero fiscal practices would involve a tripartite economic leadership, needing the mutual consent of Meexico, the U.S. and Canada. In Europe, even the smaller countries participate in the overall E.U. leadership, they are not just dominated by Germany, though its the biggest.

That may even be the biggest issue of all, getting the U.S.A. to share leadership, not try to dominate the whole thing, or it will tick off the Mexicans and Canadians. Its one thing many Canadians feel badly about now, that many Americans are in some kind of ethnocentric tunnel. We will all have to become continentalists.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby rumble » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 20:35:02

I'm an American who is trying to get to Canada. If the Amero comes, then so does the North American Union and my move would be in vein. American/British elite would rule, not Canada or Mexico. America would just be going for Canada's resources and Mexico's labor force. Of course, that is just my opinion.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Revi » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 20:47:05

Do we get a currency that isn't tanking? Do we get national health care? Do we get to travel to Mexico in February every year, and Canada in July? If the answer to these is yes, I'm all for it.
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Re: What do you think abut a common currency - the Amero

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 21:01:31

From what I can see, at this point, the adoption of a common currency is not much more than a formality. North America is already almost completely integrated under NAFTA. If I were Canadian, I wouldn't be worried about the US being able to plunder Canada's resources tomorrow; I'd have been worried for a long time now. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see Canada become the 51st State. An interesting piece of history; Canada has had an open invitation to become a State since the Articles of Confederation (which predate the Constitution.) Canada declined back then and instead chose to stay a collection of colonies. So if Canada wants to become the 51st State, all the paperwork is done already!
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