[Plantagenet]

You can ignite and burn "Brut" brand Cologne for energy the same way, and you don't even need a microwave!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296593,00.html

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'A')nother news video and a little more information!

This is really interesting stuff!

WKYC - Saltwater Fuel?

So, isn't anyone going to keep on trashing this phenomenon?
I need some sucker to argue with.

I wish to fu*k one of these reporters would ask the obvious energy in/energy out question! What's wrong with them?

[Ming]

I already stated what was required on this. It remains fully correct. No need to repeat the same points.

(Now all that needs to be done is to let time go by and this hoax will follow the footsteps of all the others, into deserved oblivion…)

[emailking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')
Don’t argue with them about the science behind things because they usually realize that they don’t know what they are talking about so they wait for MQ to come along with regurgitated quotes and book references about overshoot.

[Ming]

So?

Do we have a cure for cancer?

Do we have unlimited energy?

Do we have more mainstream TVs following the research genius that will save us all?

Do they need some more time to deliver?
(Like several million years?)

[Falconoffury]

Ming, what exactly about this is a hoax? Is the flame we are seeing special effects, and radio waves in fact do not cause such a thing?

It's just a scientific discovery. Maybe it is useless, but it's something we didn't know before. Science is simply about understanding the world in which we live, regardless of whether it saves civilization, mankind, or the planet.

[Ming]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'M')ing, what exactly about this is a hoax? Is the flame we are seeing special effects, and radio waves in fact do not cause such a thing?

It's just a scientific discovery. Maybe it is useless, but it's something we didn't know before. Science is simply about understanding the world in which we live, regardless of whether it saves civilization, mankind, or the planet.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'M')ing, what exactly about this is a hoax? Is the flame we are seeing special effects, and radio waves in fact do not cause such a thing?

[What2DO]

Do we have a cure for cancer?

This is what the great and almighty MING has asked.

Well ming the inventor sure hopes so seeing how he has cancer.

ming you are truly a piece of shit floating on top of the water in a toilet just waiting to be flushed away forever.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')[*]And finally, you seem to be arguing the merits of un-curiosity versus curiosity! People who read posts on a site like PO.com have at least a modicum of scientific curiosity. Why should they listen to some unknown idiot who insists that they should strive to be ignorant rather than curious?[/list]

[Falconoffury]

Even if the Kanzius effect produces a net energy gain, I don't see how that violates the laws of thermodynamics. The Kanzius effect is a process, just like fire and nuclear fission are processes that allow us to harness energy. Before we understood fission, uranium and other nuclear metals were useless to us. When we figured out how to generate electricity with these metals, they suddenly became a fuel source.

Salt water would be no different a fuel source than fossil fuels or uranium in that they are all limited.

Nuclear fusion is already a theoretical fuel source so vast, we can hardly imagine. We already know how to fuse the atoms, we just don't have the containment technology. The theoretical energy available to us is vast. Even the emptiness of space has a theoretical energy level above 0.

[Aaron]

Interesting effect.

Might lead to something down the road... never know.

Be hard to imagine a less efficient method of storing energy than this though.

Maybe burning rocks for fuel would be worse?

Maybe not though...

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'E')ven if the Kanzius effect produces a net energy gain, I don't see how that violates the laws of thermodynamics...

[big_rc]

Maybe this thing/process/invention is not splitting hydrogen and oxygen. What might be happening is that this process might be helping the sodium ions in the water combine into pure sodium. Then the sodium is undergoing its normal, highly exothermic reaction with water. Just a guess here but it doesn't have to be necessarily hydrogen and water. I hope this stuff if legit. Sounds pretty cool.

[Ming]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'D')o we have a cure for cancer?

This is what the great and almighty MING has asked.

Well ming the inventor sure hopes so seeing how he has cancer.

ming you are truly a piece of shit floating on top of the water in a toilet just waiting to be flushed away forever.

[untothislast]

Regardless of whatever sources of energy scientific research may come up with, as long as they're in harness to the same growth/consumption obsessed economic worldview - it's only going to bring about our downfall faster. We're running low on raw materials across the board. There's no point having endless power, unless you've got the resources to make things with.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', 'T')hermodynamic laws imply that there are always losses in those processes. So, not only it is impossible to get over unit energy by spending energy to separate the constituents of water and then recombine them, BUT YOU CAN’T EVEN DO IT WITHOUT A NET ENERGY INPUT.

End of this last free lesson, bye.

[Carlhole]

Salt Water Can "Burn," Scientist Confirms

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('National Geographic News', 'S')alt water can indeed burn when exposed to a certain kind of radio wave, a university chemist has confirmed.

Rustum Roy of Pennsylvania State University verified earlier this month that the radio waves break the water into its components, allowing the resulting freed hydrogen and oxygen to catch fire.

Independent scientists said the phenomenon is credible as explained, though practical applications of the technology remain uncertain and it's unlikely to be a source of cheap energy.

"It seems like, to me, an interesting set of processes that's been uncovered," said George Sverdrup, a technology manager at the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) in Golden, Colorado.

"That doesn't say much for its applicability or any possibility for the marketplace, though, at this point."

[Carlhole]

"If we could just burn salt water, we'd never run out of fuel"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MotorTrend', '.')..Kanzius's lab demonstration offered little to convince me otherwise. Sure, a test tube of pure water sat there in his radio-wave gizmo with nothing happening, then a quarter teaspoon of Morton's salt was added and, presto, the radio waves prompted it to catch fire. The gauge on the radio-wave generator read 200 watts, but there was no telling how much heat was coming off the flame or how much power was coming out of the wall, so I had no way of knowing whether this was an energy-losing parlor trick or a breakthrough.

Then I contacted Dr. Rustum Roy, an authority on the structure of liquid water at Penn State University, which houses one of the foremost microwave research labs. He hadn't met Kanzius, but his enthusiasm for the concept was palpable. No hard research has been conducted as yet -- it's only been a few months since the water first caught fire -- but Dr. Roy speculates that because the 13.56-MHz radio frequency is a harmonic of the natural frequency of sodium ions, the waves are causing these positive ions to vibrate intensely. Van der Waal's effects attract the oxygen end of water molecules to the positive sodium ions, and the vibration shakes the oxygen molecules hard enough to break the hydrogen bonds, freeing the hydrogen gas, which then ignites and burns. If true, the radio waves may be giving us electrolysis at a deep energy discount, allowing the flame to produce a net energy gain without breaking any thermodynamic laws...

[Carlhole]

Kanzius' Radio-Wave Generator successfully kills cancer cells - American Cancer Society

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoErie', 'A')n article describing the treatment using Kanzius' generator was first published late Tuesday in the online version of the Cancer Society's journal, Cancer.

The evidence, published as a collaborative article from 11 researchers, indicates that Kanzius' radio-wave treatment completely killed liver tumor cells in test rabbits with no side effects.

"We must be careful with terminology; in liver tumor models, we were successful," said Dr. Steven A. Curley, of the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. "It means we're getting pushed farther ahead as rapidly as possible."

Curley said tumors in rabbits that were treated with only radio waves remained alive, while those injected with only nanoparticles also had no change in condition. Treatment using both radio waves and nanoparticles was successful...