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Re: water!

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 11:49:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')If I lived in an area with such problems, I'd be desperately looking for a job out of the area. In fact, I'd be considering going out of the country.


Easier said than done. What about selling the house? Kinda hard to do when nobody's buying... :/ And jobs aren't exactly growing on trees at the moment, either.

I'll leave when I'm eligible for the big FEMA payout and I'm exempt from having to pay the mortgage on the house, not a moment sooner. Then I'll hop across the border to Canada...LOL. :twisted:

And besides, I've already moved once due to the change in weather patterns (increase in hurricanes in Florida, making it prohibitively expensive to live there). I just feel like if I move again, another disaster will just follow right behind me...so what's the use?

If my number is indeed up in the coming die-off implemented by Mother Nature herself, hey, I'm not gonna complain. Better to go early, with little time to suffer, then to go last after years or decades of untold anguish, pain and deprivation... :cry:
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Re: water!

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 16:33:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')t's just too hard to ignore, and every day it gets a little harder.


You're right, Heineken, each day it gets a little harder. Hurricanes and earthquakes come and go, and you just rebuild afterwards, but this, this drought thing, it's the worse thing of all. The slow realization of how truly f*cked we really are. The gradual building of panic, the slow realization that the economy will have to be shut down bit by bit until the last bits of muddied lake bottom water gurgles and hisses from millions of taps in this fair city. What then? All of these people moving to other parts of the country? Yeah, right. It's simply not feasible.

And you know what really sucks? I don't even have the option of going home to my parents or going to my grandparent's farm, as they have it just as bad as we do with the drought. :(

In a few days, I'm going to start stocking up on bottled water and get some 60-gallon drums, and just hope that's enough to survive this terrible crisis.


And just think, we didn't get that 0.6 inch you received. We've had nothing to inject even a little moisture. This place is like the Sahara with trees.

Laying by some water is a good idea. Keep it in a cool place.

It will be really incredible if Atlanta actually runs out of tap water. A crisis like that would rival Katrina in some ways.
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Re: water!

Unread postby gnm » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 16:37:35

Do they not have any wells? Are the wells going dry? If zero watering was allowed would there be enough to continue with drinking,washing etc?

We had one year here where there was zero precipitation of any kind for 9 months.

Granted we are more used to that sort of thing but that one was even killing cactus..

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Re: water!

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 16:54:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'D')o they not have any wells? Are the wells going dry? If zero watering was allowed would there be enough to continue with drinking,washing etc?

We had one year here where there was zero precipitation of any kind for 9 months.

Granted we are more used to that sort of thing but that one was even killing cactus..

-G


Lots of people have been asking that question...why we're in such a fix when cities out west thrive on much less water than we do. Well, for one thing, we're supposed to get 50 inches a rain a year, so our water infrastructure is based on that level of precipitation plus / minus whatever standard deviation we've experienced in the past century and a quarter. Since this drought far exceeds that, plus all the rampant, unchecked growth we've "enjoyed" for the past 30 years or so, well, we're in a real pickle to say the least. Of course the Army Corps of Engineers isn't exactly helping either with their intentions to ignore the orders of our governor to curtail outflows downstream....grrrr :-x

But yes, we have a total outdoor watering ban in effect as of Sept 28, food gardens exempted. In about 10 days, emergency water conservation measures will go into effect, and these may be quite unprecedented for any major American city ever in the history of this country. Anxious to see what comes when the orders are handed down on about the 26th of October or so.

Heineken, it really would be something if the taps do go dry...once unthinkable, they're actually talking about this in the media. I think it'd be worse than Katrina, as we're a much better city than N'awleans. But denial is such a strong, powerful emotion...it really hasn't sunken in yet how serious all this really is.
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Re: water!

Unread postby gnm » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 17:01:52

I see so the infrastructure is based on easy water. Makes sense. Here it is based on wells but those are in rapid depletion. Albuquerque likely will hit the crisis level within 7 years. They have already run a massive pipeline to the Animas river basin up in the NW of the state and are busy sucking that dry now so within a decade they will really be out of options.

I am not dependent on this system... 8)

Something to keep in mind if the taps do indeed go dry is restarting that infrastructure will really cause problems. You will have water hammer related breakages, seal shrinkage and failure as well as line stagnation/reverse pressure infiltration of contaminants, etc...

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Re: water!

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 17:23:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')Something to keep in mind if the taps do indeed go dry is restarting that infrastructure will really cause problems. You will have water hammer related breakages, seal shrinkage and failure as well as line stagnation/reverse pressure infiltration of contaminants, etc...

8O

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Might not be much of a system to restart for anyhow, as the fires will surely decimate a majority of the city once the water pressure goes. I guess I could dig a well, or have 6 month's supply of water stacked up, but once the fires start, it's game over. We have a LOT of vegetation around here that would make this place a tinderbox if it doesn't rain this winter.
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Re: water!

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 19:13:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'D')o they not have any wells? Are the wells going dry? If zero watering was allowed would there be enough to continue with drinking,washing etc?

We had one year here where there was zero precipitation of any kind for 9 months.

Granted we are more used to that sort of thing but that one was even killing cactus..

-G


Lots of people have been asking that question...why we're in such a fix when cities out west thrive on much less water than we do. Well, for one thing, we're supposed to get 50 inches a rain a year, so our water infrastructure is based on that level of precipitation plus / minus whatever standard deviation we've experienced in the past century and a quarter. Since this drought far exceeds that, plus all the rampant, unchecked growth we've "enjoyed" for the past 30 years or so, well, we're in a real pickle to say the least. Of course the Army Corps of Engineers isn't exactly helping either with their intentions to ignore the orders of our governor to curtail outflows downstream....grrrr :-x

But yes, we have a total outdoor watering ban in effect as of Sept 28, food gardens exempted. In about 10 days, emergency water conservation measures will go into effect, and these may be quite unprecedented for any major American city ever in the history of this country. Anxious to see what comes when the orders are handed down on about the 26th of October or so.

Heineken, it really would be something if the taps do go dry...once unthinkable, they're actually talking about this in the media. I think it'd be worse than Katrina, as we're a much better city than N'awleans. But denial is such a strong, powerful emotion...it really hasn't sunken in yet how serious all this really is.


Really awful! We get our water on the island from a community reservoir that runs fairly dry in a drought, but we've never run completely out of water. We had a drought a few years back where it rained maybe once or twice in 5 months--and then, not much. No lie. We don't have the extreme heat of the South East though, so evaporation isn't as big a factor.

Do you think bottled water will be trucked in?

From Survival Acres:

The news just keeps getting better and better. Read this article first, and then ask yourself, what happens when we reach 100% of the fresh water consumption? That will occur at some point long before 20 years. Then what? Then the water wars will be fought in earnest (not that they aren’t now).

Agricultural demands (food production) need to be dramatically altered long before then. This will require abandoning the existing methods of food production for water conservation techniques. But not in 20 years. This is a widely optimistic and totally unrealistic claim. Critical shortages of essential resources will have revealed themselves long before then.

http://survivalacres.com/wordpress/?p=978
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Re: water!

Unread postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 20:00:15

So let me ask you this. Where does all the sewer water go in the Atlanta Metropolitan Region? Cant that be recaptured in a wetland filter? Or do they just dump it all in some river? BTW I feel for you guys...I really do.
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