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Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Denny » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 01:02:42

Given the long state of a very low natural gas price relative to crude oil, is there any technology which can form conventional crude, or other refined products out of heavy crude refined in conjunction wiht natural gas?

You'd think this would be pursued as an economic winner, right now as on an energy content basis, natural gas is cheap relative to crude oil, and likewise, heavy crude is lower cost per energy content than light crude.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby cipi604 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 01:14:34

The natural gas is in decline in Canada.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Starvid » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 04:52:43

Natural gas consumption is used for lots of wasteful things, like power generation and space heating, where there are plenty of good substitutes.

Cut that demand and you have plenty of gas for the petrochemical industries.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Doly » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 10:06:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'N')atural gas consumption is used for lots of wasteful things, like power generation and space heating, where there are plenty of good substitutes.


Please name your good substitutes. I assume you don't count coal as a good substitute.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Kingcoal » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 11:45:06

Heavy sour crude - carbon - sulfur - heavy metals = light sweet crude. Making light sweet out of heavy sour is a no brainer. It is also a no brainer that it is expensive and creates waste products which must be disposed of.

It sucks that we've depleted light sweet, doesn't it?
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Tanada » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 13:31:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'G')iven the long state of a very low natural gas price relative to crude oil, is there any technology which can form conventional crude, or other refined products out of heavy crude refined in conjunction wiht natural gas?

You'd think this would be pursued as an economic winner, right now as on an energy content basis, natural gas is cheap relative to crude oil, and likewise, heavy crude is lower cost per energy content than light crude.


One of the earliest claims for the Thermal Conversion Process was that you take waste feed water and asphault type heavy crude, run it through the process and get out Diesel on the other end.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Kingcoal » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 15:27:35

Actually it's very simple:

Light sweet crude: Good EROEI.
Heavy sour crude: Bad EROEI.
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby Blaze5 » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 16:17:40

Try looking at this Company hxxp://www.globalresourcecorp.com/ (Change the XX to tt) I haven't read the policy for this Boards live links.

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Global Resource Corporation is a United States-based company. In December 2006, the Company acquired Equipment Service Parts, Inc., a company specializing in the tooling and manufacturing business. In September 2006, it acquired Carbon Recovery Corporation (CRC). CRC is a development-stage company that has a license with Mobilestream Oil, Inc., for a family of technologies, which not only allow for the complete recycling of an automobile tire (recovering all of the component parts for resale) but also permit the economic recovery of oil from sources, such as shale, tar sands, oil resid and existing oil wells. With the acquisition of the assets and the development stage business from CRC, the Company is engaged in the construction of plants to exploit certain technology for decomposing petroleum-based materials by subjecting them to variable frequency microwave radiation at specifically selected frequencies for a time sufficient to at least partially decompose the materials.

Heavy Oil plus Tires, Shale ect
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Re: Can natural gas + heavy crude = light crude

Postby yesplease » Tue 16 Oct 2007, 23:37:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'P')lease name your good substitutes. I assume you don't count coal as a good substitute.
Decent building design and insulation combined with some Ohmic heating, provided the renewable and/or fission load is available make NG for heating and electricity production seem silly provided it could be used for other more constructive purposes. Hydroluver has a post on it down the page...

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Insulation improvements would be nothing but a win-win scenario. They cut Carbon emissions and save money better than just about anything else. That being said, if we had homes with a ounce of design merit, what do ya think would happen to the consumption of resources and profit from that consumption? Same applies to transportation. Efficiency, while it does save a lot for most, results in proportionally less for the few who have been influencing said consumption. You gotta fight, fer yer right, to mooooneeyyy! :razz:
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