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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby Narz » Tue 26 Jun 2007, 22:20:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'C')ould you read "Mein Kampf" first? Not everything is beause of oil ;)

The next topic will be - Columbus journeys caused by peak oil?

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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 01:50:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('agmart', 'H')itler knew about peak oil and sent the German army south to seize the Azeri oil fields because of it.


WW II began on September 1, 1939 in Poland. Quite a detour.


But Hitler also promoted the Volkswagon (people's car). If he were around today it would be an electric car, touted as bringing world peace.
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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby fluffy » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 03:58:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrflora', 'W')hile Hitler was probably not aware of the Peak Oil Theory, he was well aware of the No Oil Fact - Germany had no domestic source of oil and had to import 100% of its needs.

Of course, Rommel advocated a "southern strategy" of attacking the British in Egypt, capturing the Suez Canal and Saudi Arabia, and advancing northward into Iraq.


That is one of the scarier 'what-ifs' of WWII.. If Germany had gone all-out against British interests in Africa and the Middle East from late 1940 to early 1942, Hitler would almost certainly have had access to Middle east oilfields, and there would have been no Desert victory for the UK/US because the front would have been shut down. Delaying the attack on Russia until early May 1942, with additional forces built up in the meantime, would have made it interesting indeed..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrflora', '
')The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was precipitated by a U.S. embargo on exports to Japan including crude oil (the U.S. supplied 7 out of 8 barrels of oil used by the Allies). The Japanese had a choice of a Northern or a Southern Strategy and chose to go south in order to capture the oilfields of Indonesia. The Japanese could perhaps have scored a strategic victory over the U.S. in the Solomon Islands in late 1942, but elected not to use their most powerful battleships in action because they consumed too much oil.

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Tactical victory, yes. From a strategic viewpoint, Japan was never really in the game; the US could always outproduce Japan in terms of Ships, Planes, Tanks, trained pilots, etc (and repair ships much, much faster), so whatever happened in 1941-43, by late 1943-early 1944 Japan would be swamped by US forces. Japan was always 'spending capital' when fighting the pacific war..
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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 14:06:20

Japan never had a chance.

Small, resource poor country thousands of miles from its supply centers.

There is no way Japan could have won a war against the United States in the 1940s.

Invade Hawaii? Maybe.

Hang on to Hawaii after a massive American military buildup that would have happened in response to this invasion? Unlikely.

Move from Hawaii to California and conquer large sections of the United States? :lol:

The Pacific War was always on the back burner because Germany was always the more realistic threat.
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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 14:36:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('agmart', 'H')itler knew about peak oil and sent the German army south to seize the Azeri oil fields because of it.


M. King Hubbert didn't develop the concept of Peak Oil until after WWII.

The claim that Hitler knew about Peak Oil before Hubbert did is ludicrous. :P
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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 14:43:49

I'd always believed WW2 happened because Hitler was an insane megalomaniac bent on spreading death , hatred , fear , chaos and misery . Japan had imperial aspirations and Mussolini just had nothing better to do at the time.
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Re: WW II caused by peak oil

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 13 Oct 2007, 02:30:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'I')'d always believed WW2 happened because Hitler was an insane megalomaniac bent on spreading death , hatred , fear , chaos and misery .
Why do you think the US attack on Iraq happened?
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