[PenultimateManStanding]

One was made by the ex-poster NEOPO. His wife and kids are on board. They accept the dire need to do something. So they go shopping for ecovillages and it turns out that the ecovillage they had scoped has nudists in it. Wife sez, "no way." Then there's jato, trapped in southern CA. Wife accepts the potential danger, but she's not going anywhere. These women understand, as I do, there's nowhere to run. People who have plans to set up when TSHTF are fooling themselves. You've got to be well set up and already have years of experience needing nothing at all from the outside now. Otherwise, best hope for some kind of mitigation that will at least get us through the hard times.

[jasonraymondson]

Is that a nudist colony filled with hot 20 year old girls oiled up and tanning?

If so, Please provide the address. Uhm.. you know for uhm ya educational purposes.

[PenultimateManStanding]

you'd better go back to the rubick's cube, j, nudies are pretty much all saggie and old. hate to rain on your parade. the cuties are wearing skimpy stuff at the beach.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I'm not depressed, Shanny. There's a difference between being depressed and resigned. And I don't need any inspirational literature. This is a practical matter. It's a nuts and bolts issue. As I said, you are are either up and running with no need of the world outside or you aren't.

[AirlinePilot]

I have to agree with you PMS. However, I see the little bit of knowledge most of us have here, and the last year or two of speculation on how things are going to go, as a good dose of preperation. It's mostly mental, but some are actually doing things. I doubt it's many who are really making progress towards what your talking about though.

I think that this knowledge will keep you out in front of the pack so to speak. Your going to already know why things are going down. It IS an advantage.

I hold on to that, and the hope we have a bit more time than some of the really hard core doomers think. I doubt there are more than just a few individuals who will ever get to where your talking about. It takes a good bit of time and basically leaving behind EVERYTHING to accomplish it. I doubt there are many here willing to even try while things are still fairly normal.

Honestly, I know I'm not. I am at least thinking about certain things which I could gaurantee you a lot of non PO aware folks aren't. I've taken some action but realistically and honestly I'm far from ever being self sufficient.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I') have to agree with you PMS. However, I see the little bit of knowledge most of us have here, and the last year or two of speculation on how things are going to go, as a good dose of preperation.

[jasonraymondson]

Life is what it is. There is nothing any of us can ever do, to truly prepare for all contengencies. We can only deal with what comes at us when it comes.

Worrying, is only a preparation for failure. No matter what we ever do it will never be enough, I can understand PMS's resignation to the future. I myself no longer care or worry about whats coming due to this realization. I am going to continue with my life the way I am. I am going to finish up school, get a decent job and save what I can through my work.

Maybe the collapse will come in the next few years, 2012, or it could be 25 years away.

I believe those in power, will keep the facade going for some time, at least long enough for me to have a somewhat decent time, but even if they don't. I am not going to freak myself out about this, I hope that you all stop worrying as well.

It is fun to talk about the collapse and to speculate, but speculate is all that we can do.


Don't worry, be happy!

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')'m not depressed, Shanny. There's a difference between being depressed and resigned. And I don't need any inspirational literature. This is a practical matter. It's a nuts and bolts issue. As I said, you are are either up and running with no need of the world outside or you aren't.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'S')ince my kid is only 3 years old, I believe it would be selfish and stupid for me to give no thought to preparation. We all have our individual circumstances which dictate the best course of action.

[gnm]

Your logic does not hold PMS. If the only way to be unaffected would to be completely independent now then would it not follow that being _somewhat_ independent would lessen any negative impacts? In other words every step I take towards self sufficency will improve my/my familys lifestyle and odds as things decline. I'm anything but resigned. And as far as isolation goes I see that as being insurance against large groups of monkeys behaving badly....

-G

[jboogy]

If your a true believer you've done something to prepare , especially if you have children . If you've got children and haven't changed anything then you either don't believe PO will happen(which means you shouldn't be here reading this ) or you've convinced yourself the effects will be minimal ( which means you've convinced yourself most of the people here are wrong), I suppose you could believe some serious shit's coming but are unable to do anything because of spousal resistance , if your a female . But if your a guy and the wife is stopping you from making the big changes necessary to prepare then you married the wrong girl or you need to do some serious work on your powers of persuasion. My wife absolutely adored FL. ( except for the hurricane ) , but when I said we need to get some land in a safer place she said okey , dokey lets go . We're not as prepared as I'd like but we're close.

[Pops]

So, to review, the most salient point yet made on this site is to continue living the good life as long as possible just like all the folks who think PO is Tin-Foil-Folding Bunk because to try anything is futile.

Kind of a combination of, Our way of life is non-negotiable and the great line, We’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas.

I’d say the salient points would be,

Oil is finite
Oil production will mirror discovery
All forms of fossil energy will become more scarce and expensive at some point
Anything produced with that energy will also become more scarce and expensive
Crystal balls make nice conversation pieces
Can’t never did anything
Change is hard

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen there's jato, trapped in southern CA. Wife accepts the potential danger, but she's not going anywhere. These women understand, as I do, there's nowhere to run.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')o, to review, the most salient point yet made on this site is to continue living the good life as long as possible just like all the folks who think PO is Tin-Foil-Folding Bunk because to try anything is futile.

Kind of a combination of, Our way of life is non-negotiable and the great line, We’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas.

I’d say the salient points would be,

Oil is finite
Oil production will mirror discovery
All forms of fossil energy will become more scarce and expensive at some point
Anything produced with that energy will also become more scarce and expensive
Crystal balls make nice conversation pieces
Can’t never did anything
Change is hard

[Aaron]

"When times are hard, table manners change."

[truecougarblue]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', ' ')

I only hope our economy can hold together for 15 more years.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')our logic does not hold PMS. If the only way to be unaffected would to be completely independent now then would it not follow that being _somewhat_ independent would lessen any negative impacts? In other words every step I take towards self sufficency will improve my/my familys lifestyle and odds as things decline.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he test will be if you can quit your job, give up money and internet and gas and cars and entertainment. If you can go from year to year producing enough food, clothing and shelter for your family with nothing from anyone, anywhere.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')f you can go from year to year producing enough food, clothing and shelter for your family with nothing from anyone, anywhere.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')
Year to year without anything from anyone? Good gawd man, I doubt it could be that serious. Its not even that bad in Zimbabwe.