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There's a Way Out

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 21:44:29

("free verse poem")

I'm not blinded by eternal growth
neither by doom and gloom.
We must not seek salvation in technology,
the root problem is our lyfestyle.
Most think oil and modern pleasures
are happyness and comfort.
Little they realize the joys of
breathing clean air and meditating.
Little they realize that fighting
to continue overconsumption
is a downward death spiral.
No one wins in a war.
Even if violent chaos come
I will feel safe.
No one can take me my
current serene mind.
Little they know,
that killing me will not
make me unhappy.
Little they know,
the true pleasures of life.
some say technology is a miracle,
but it's a cursed double-edged sword.
Little they know,
that life itself is the miracle.
There's a Way Out,
maybe not for all humans;
but at least for life...
and for those few
truly awakened humans.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby JPL » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 19:30:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '(')"free verse poem")

I'm not blinded by eternal growth
neither by doom and gloom.
We must not seek salvation in technology,
the root problem is our lyfestyle.
Most think oil and modern pleasures
are happyness and comfort.
Little they realize the joys of
breathing clean air and meditating.
Little they realize that fighting
to continue overconsumption
is a downward death spiral.
No one wins in a war.
Even if violent chaos come
I will feel safe.
No one can take me my
current serene mind.
Little they know,
that killing me will not
make me unhappy.
Little they know,
the true pleasures of life.
some say technology is a miracle,
but it's a cursed double-edged sword.
Little they know,
that life itself is the miracle.
There's a Way Out,
maybe not for all humans;
but at least for life...
and for those few
truly awakened humans.


I understand the sense of the poem but it gives me disquiet. Parctularly the last few lines are very upsetting. It seems to imply that the 'way out' is not for all. For me it sounds as if the 'way in' was not for all either. Overall, it sounds very elitist, and a bit childish in its conclusions as well.

Hence the words of Mohandas Gandhi:

What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea.

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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby kadoomsoon » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 21:32:36

He may have meant that most will not choose the only way out, should clarify that there is a way out for every person, and everyone has an equal chance.But of course most will not choose it because they don't want to struggle for the exit.

Make those corrections and it would be a good poem.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby bodigami » Fri 05 Oct 2007, 15:28:02

Thanks, I agree with both comments. Revision:

There's a Way Out v1.1

We should not be blinded by eternal growth
neither by doom and gloom.
We must not seek salvation in technology,
the root problem is our lyfestyle.
Most think oil and modern pleasures
are happyness and comfort.
Little they realize the joys of
breathing clean air and meditating.
Little they realize that fighting
to continue overconsumption
is a downward death spiral.
No one wins in a war.
Even if violent chaos come
a quiet mind can feel safe.
No one can take away
a truly serene mind.
Little they know,
that killing someone truly free
will not make him/her unhappy.
Little they know,
the true pleasures of life.
some say technology is a miracle,
but it's a cursed double-edged sword.
Little they know,
that life itself is the miracle.
There's a Way Out,
for all humans with the will;
for life as a whole...
and for those humans that,
finishing the path
are now truly awakened.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby aldente » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 03:37:02

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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby aldente » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 04:35:03

WTF, what?
This is called ART!
Update your cultural horizon (given you have one in the first place).
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 07:53:17

Pardon me for being dense, but what is the way out?


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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 08:50:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ardon me for being dense, but what is the way out?


I believe zensui is alluding to the Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

I have no idea what albente is on about. 8O


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hanks!
You're welcome, Ludi. :)
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 08:57:43

The implication then is that all Buddhists will be fine during the collapse...


Because they are doing the "right" things....whatever those are.....



I wonder how that will work out?
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:33:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')he implication then is that all Buddhists will be fine during the collapse...
I think the implication is rather that the Buddhist - through non-attachment to material things - will not suffer as greatly as those for whom Consumption is a way of life.

Of course, this doesn't apply just to Buddhists, but in fact to everyone who can achieve such non-attachment. :)
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:40:14

I've always wondered how one achieves non-attachment to things like food, water, shelter, etc.

Oh yeah - by dying.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:50:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'ve always wondered how one achieves non-attachment to things like food, water, shelter, etc.

Oh yeah - by dying.


Of course, as I understand it, the Buddhist does not fear death.

But I don't think zensui is suggesting non-attachment to the basic necessities of life, but rather to the superfluous consumer goods that our dependence on fossil fuels has delivered to us.

On the other hand, I think albente is suggesting non-attachment to clothing. :P
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:53:26

Few Buddhists seem willing to demonstrate their non-attachment to life....



Not suggesting they should, just, it seems somewhat inconsistent to me, this whole "non-attachment" thing. Anyway, not trying to get into a philosophical debate here.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:59:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'F')ew Buddhists seem willing to demonstrate their non-attachment to life....


You seem to be confusing non-attachment with seeking death. They do not amount to the same thing.
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 10:04:20

One doesn't have to "seek death" it seems to me. Death happens when one stops consuming air, water, food. It happens automatically. One has to take active steps to keep death at bay. That's what I see as an attachment to life. The vast majority of people have this attachment to life, even those who claim to have non-attachment. (it seems to me)
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Re: There's a Way Out

Unread postby paimei01 » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 18:28:05

There is no difference between life and death, no separation - no need to search for it.
Non attachment ? Attachment ?
Be happy :) Forget those :)
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