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Unread postby Graeme » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 00:29:43

Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Converted Into Electricity

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy lost from hot engines could save billions of dollars if it could be captured and converted into electricity via thermoelectric devices, Clemson University physicist Terry Tritt told scientists gathered in Dallas for the world-renowned NanoTX ’07 conference.

“Thermoelectric generators are currently used in NASA’s deep-space probes to convert the heat of radioactive elements to electrical energy, powering these systems for over 30 years,” Tritt said. “Thermoelectric energy conversion is a solid-state technology that is environmentally friendly. One of the more promising ‘down-to-earth’ applications lies in waste-heat recovery in cars.”

Tritt said more than 60 percent of the energy that goes into an automotive combustion cycle is lost, primarily to waste heat through the exhaust or radiator system.

“Even at the current efficiencies of thermoelectric devices, 7 to 8 percent, more than 1.5 billion gallons of diesel could be saved each year in the U.S. if thermoelectric generators were used on the exhaust of heavy trucks. That translates into billions of dollars saved,” Tritt said.


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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 01:20:49

Interesting idea. Think of the heat that's being wasted from all the ICE engines running. Just the heat radiating off a car engine after it's been pulled into a garage and shut off is amazing. It'll heat a garage right up on a very cold day.
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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby SolarDave » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 01:44:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')nteresting idea. Think of the heat that's being wasted from all the ICE engines running. Just the heat radiating off a car engine after it's been pulled into a garage and shut off is amazing. It'll heat a garage right up on a very cold day.


This suggests people in cold climates with attached garages should insulate their garage door and exterior walls. During the summer, they would need to park outside until the car cooled off.

I have "mentally" invented a sodium sulfite cannister heated by car exhaust that you pull out of a tube near your exhaust pipe, and stick into a small auxiliary heating unit that simply soaks the contents with water and diverts the heat to your house. Sodium sulfite is perfect for this. The next trip bakes the cannister, driving off the water, storing huge amounts of heat.

But we are nowhere near being desparate enough for such ideas to take hold yet. Asking a driver to take out and insert anything from the car after every trip - whether a "heat cannister," an electric cord, or anything else, just isn't going to happen.

Edit: We are definitely disparate. Not desperate. ;-)
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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby nocar » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 06:55:44

Cars are an amazingly inefficient use of scarce resources. First only 30% (at most) of the fuel energy is really used to for the forward motion of the car. Then typically 800-2000 kg of material has to be moved in order for one person, typically weighing 50-100 kg, to be transported. On top of that, cars need a very extensive infrastruction in the form of highways, parking lots, gas stations which take a lot of energy to build and require tremendous land areas that turn productive forests and fields (or sometimes human living space, i.e. neighborhoods) into asphalt fields which are biological deserts.

No energy-smart future is possible with a reliance on car-transport as a dominant transport mode.

Most of the fuel energy used by cars is lost in heat, that is correct. But it seems farfetched to attempt the reclaim that heat. It makes a lot more sense to replace the need for car transport with other transport modes or reduced mobility needs.

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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby Concerned » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 07:40:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Converted Into Electricity

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy lost from hot engines could save billions of dollars if it could be captured and converted into electricity via thermoelectric devices, Clemson University physicist Terry Tritt told scientists gathered in Dallas for the world-renowned NanoTX ’07 conference.

“Thermoelectric generators are currently used in NASA’s deep-space probes to convert the heat of radioactive elements to electrical energy, powering these systems for over 30 years,” Tritt said. “Thermoelectric energy conversion is a solid-state technology that is environmentally friendly. One of the more promising ‘down-to-earth’ applications lies in waste-heat recovery in cars.”

Tritt said more than 60 percent of the energy that goes into an automotive combustion cycle is lost, primarily to waste heat through the exhaust or radiator system.

“Even at the current efficiencies of thermoelectric devices, 7 to 8 percent, more than 1.5 billion gallons of diesel could be saved each year in the U.S. if thermoelectric generators were used on the exhaust of heavy trucks. That translates into billions of dollars saved,” Tritt said.


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Wow how amazing how did the engineers miss that?

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On and on the delusion goes, we could, if we did this, if we conserved, if I lived in a cave, if I didn't drive to work, if if if...
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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 08:36:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Converted Into Electricity

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy lost from hot engines could save billions of dollars if it could be captured and converted into electricity via thermoelectric devices, Clemson University physicist Terry Tritt told scientists gathered in Dallas for the world-renowned NanoTX ’07 conference.

“Thermoelectric generators are currently used in NASA’s deep-space probes to convert the heat of radioactive elements to electrical energy, powering these systems for over 30 years,” Tritt said. “Thermoelectric energy conversion is a solid-state technology that is environmentally friendly. One of the more promising ‘down-to-earth’ applications lies in waste-heat recovery in cars.”

Tritt said more than 60 percent of the energy that goes into an automotive combustion cycle is lost, primarily to waste heat through the exhaust or radiator system.

“Even at the current efficiencies of thermoelectric devices, 7 to 8 percent, more than 1.5 billion gallons of diesel could be saved each year in the U.S. if thermoelectric generators were used on the exhaust of heavy trucks. That translates into billions of dollars saved,” Tritt said.


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An obvious proof of concept would be to put thermocouple generators on hybrid electric drive trains and use the produced current to recharge the batteries even faster.

As far as that goes you can in theory use thermocouples as a solar energy generator as well, you need a heat sink and a heat source for them to work, and the greater the differential the greater the current induced. A thermocouple generator can be set up between your hot attic space and your cool foundation, but the cost usually isn't worth the energy savings.
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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby jbeckton » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:04:56

A heat engine is inefficient by definition. Not big news. Research $ would be better spent developing EV's, they at least have several fuel sources.
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Re: Energy Lost From Hot Engines Could Save Billions If Conv

Unread postby gnm » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 11:32:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'A') heat engine is inefficient by definition. Not big news. Research $ would be better spent developing EV's, they at least have several fuel sources.


And a more efficient drive train, no auxiliary coolant requirements, etc, etc, etc..

Agree 100%

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