[Jack]

This post is meant to address some issues brought up by Bas and Eastbay.

For the purposes of this post, I want to define three terms.

Hispanics will refer to a specific ethnic group, and will generally be applied to U.S. citizens of the implied ethnicity.

Mexicans will refer primarily to citizens of the Republic of Mexico, as well as other nations of Central and South America.

Immigration will refer to all immigration, without regard to legality.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eastbay', 'A')nd Jack, there is no way the USA will conduct 'mass deportations' of illegals no matter how beneficial it would be. Remember, the USA spends billions annually putting on an elaborate show 'pretending' to stop illegal border crossings. America could easily and humanely stop nearly all illegal crossings, but we lack the collective will.

[Ayoob]

How do you hippies walk and chew gum at the same time? You honestly think we're on the verge of economic collapse and ecological overshoot and die-off, and you want to IMPORT MORE PEOPLE???

Dumbest fucking bunch of lunatics I've ever heard of.

You should want to GET RID OF AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, PEACEFULLY, before TSHTF.

[eastbay]

You should want to GET RID OF AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, PEACEFULLY, before TSHTF.

If I was president I would immediately import about 400,000 US soldiers from all over the world. Each week their officers would hand each of them the name of an illegal alien on a slip of paper. No illegal, no pay check. By executive decree I would announce a national emergency and institute a one year moratorium on all immigration case appeals. In about 6 months 10,000,000 illegals would be exported. After a year, those wrongly deported could appeal and try to gain readmission.

After six months, most of these soldiers would be riffed, but many would then be assigned to patrol the southern border and assist ICE in the streets and CBP in airports.

Six months. No more stupid oil wars. No more illegals.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f I was president I would immediately import about 400,000 US soldiers from all over the world.

[eastbay]

I know Jack... I was thinking of nailing two birds with one stone. You know, save about 200 billion in taxes from the importing of troops and another 100 billion by deporting the illegals.

After that I would move on to other issues such as shredding and recycling every SUV and annexing Alberta, Yukon Territories, and NW Provinces.

[julianj]

LOL Ebay!
I understand there is a presidential election in the nearish future. Are you going to stand? At least you have a clear policy

I love the idea of heavily-armed trigger-happy Iraq and Afghanistan vets turning up on someone's lawn and obliterating their SUV. "Courtesy of Uncle Sam". No doubt the various "anti-terror" laws passed by the psychotic boobs currently occupying your government will assist you. All you have to do is declare that Mexicans have links to Al-Queda, and you're pretty well on the way.

That goes double for the Canucks of course. Some of them speak French, for heaven's sake!

[roccman]

Very interesting poll.
The Palestinians too are a fairly raw example of this type of herd mentality.
I get the sense that most people on PO.com that voted in this poll for exportation are not very history savvy, are closed minded elitest, or are just "following the crowd" so to speak.
So the question is why should a native people be exported or worse...??

[Zardoz]

So much horseshit being slung from coast to coast about this issue. So much smoke being blown. So much spin being put on it.
Meanwhile, the gates are being opened wider, because if they aren't, we'll simply run short of food here in 'Murica:
U.S. lets in more immigrants for farms - The administration is quietly relaxing visa regulations because farmworkers are in critically short supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith a nationwide farmworker shortage threatening to leave unharvested fruits and vegetables rotting in fields, the Bush administration has begun quietly rewriting federal regulations to eliminate barriers that restrict how foreign laborers can legally be brought into the country.
The effort, urgently underway at the departments of Homeland Security, State and Labor, is meant to rescue farm owners caught in a vise between a complex process to hire legal guest workers and stepped-up enforcement that has reduced the number of illegal planters, pickers and middle managers crossing the border.
"It is important for the farm sector to have access to labor to stay competitive," said White House spokesman Scott Stanzel. "As the southern border has tightened, some producers have a more difficult time finding a workforce, and that is a factor of what is going on today."

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'S')o much horseshit being slung from coast to coast about this issue. So much smoke being blown. So much spin being put on it.
Meanwhile, the gates are being opened wider, because if they aren't, we'll simply run short of food here in 'Murica:
U.S. lets in more immigrants for farms - The administration is quietly relaxing visa regulations because farmworkers are in critically short supply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith a nationwide farmworker shortage threatening to leave unharvested fruits and vegetables rotting in fields, the Bush administration has begun quietly rewriting federal regulations to eliminate barriers that restrict how foreign laborers can legally be brought into the country.
The effort, urgently underway at the departments of Homeland Security, State and Labor, is meant to rescue farm owners caught in a vise between a complex process to hire legal guest workers and stepped-up enforcement that has reduced the number of illegal planters, pickers and middle managers crossing the border.
"It is important for the farm sector to have access to labor to stay competitive," said White House spokesman Scott Stanzel. "As the southern border has tightened, some producers have a more difficult time finding a workforce, and that is a factor of what is going on today."

[Plantagenet]

Republicans like illegal immigration because Mexicans are happy to work for low wages.

Democrats like illegal immigration because Hispanics are part of the democratic voting block.

The only people hurt by illegal immigration are poor and working class Americans who see their wages depressed and their jobs taken by Mexicans willing to work for lower wages.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'R')epublicans like illegal immigration because Mexicans are happy to work for low wages.
Democrats like illegal immigration because Hispanics are part of the democratic voting block.
The only people hurt by illegal immigration are poor and working class Americans who see their wages depressed and their jobs taken by Mexicans willing to work for lower wages.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'H')ow do you hippies walk and chew gum at the same time? You honestly think we're on the verge of economic collapse and ecological overshoot and die-off, and you want to IMPORT MORE PEOPLE???
Dumbest f**king bunch of lunatics I've ever heard of.
You should want to GET RID OF AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, PEACEFULLY, before TSHTF.

[Ayoob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'H')ow do you hippies walk and chew gum at the same time? You honestly think we're on the verge of economic collapse and ecological overshoot and die-off, and you want to IMPORT MORE PEOPLE???
Dumbest f**king bunch of lunatics I've ever heard of.
You should want to GET RID OF AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, PEACEFULLY, before TSHTF.

[Bas]

that 80% is on this forum Ayoob, hardly representative of the general population. Also I dare say that 80% doesn't expect that society will fail overnight as you suggest in your reasoning; like I said, I expect prolonged economic hardship to produce the support for deportation measures that they don't have now. Not being a hippy, just being realistic.

[Zardoz]

Never mind:
Judge Bars Bush Crackdown on Illegal Workers
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')resident Bush made that plan the centerpiece of a re-energized enforcement effort against illegal immigration after the Senate rejected his proposed legislation to overhaul immigration laws this summer. But the ruling -- made at the behest of major American labor, business and farm organizations -- highlighted the chasm that the immigration fight has opened between the Republican Party and its traditional business allies.
The ruling also called attention to the gulf between Washington politicians' rhetoric about the need to curtail illegal immigration and the economic reality of many U.S. employers' reliance on illegal labor, as well as to the government's inability to find adequate tools for identifying illegal workers.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e can talk and debate our heads completelly off, but the fact is that the immigrant workers, legal and otherwise, are needed too badly to be eliminated.
Deal with it.

[threadbear]

Ludi, I roll my eyes, grit my teeth and then I scream, followed by agitated dancing.

We have an interesting situation here in B.C. Canada. Instead of impoverished illegal immigrants, we have offshore money pouring in to real estate, brought in by legal immigrants, or by foreigners just seeking safe shelter for their money, mainly Chinese. Some of this money is legit, but I have a feeling a LOT of it is drug money or proceeds of organized crime, laundered through real estate. It gives me the creeps.

[anneliese-nyc]

For common sense info on illegal/legal immigration numbersusa.com is a great website for info.

Since I am from the NYC area I see that there are just too many illegal/legal immigrants. 40% of people in the NYC area are foreign born and when you factor the illegals in that probably adds another 20%. We are not on the same page . What really shakes me up is the fact that so many are "amazed" that I was actually born here .
A lot are on social services of some type whether it be charity care or free college or whatever .(on tax dollars).
It is almost as if this government wants to "disappear" the American citizens that were born here and erase our history .

[Tyler_JC]

As a student of the Spanish language, I feel as though I must intervene.

"Usted" is reserved for the formal, second person singular.

If you are kicking a person out of a country, I doubt you would feel the need to be polite about it.

"No Sopa Para Tu" would probably make more sense as a thread title. (This website won't let me use the accent mark over the "u")

[Ferretlover]

Scores of illegal immigrants arrested near San Diego since Sunday
SAN DIEGO (CNN) -- Some 200 illegal immigrants trying to cross into the United States from Mexico east of San Diego have been arrested in the mountains as they come up against the flames and smoke of the raging wildfires there, a U.S Customs and Border Protection spokesman told CNN Wednesday.
Spokesman Matthew Johnson said those detained were basically giving up when they realized they were in danger as they approached San Miguel Mountain and the region where the Harris fire was scorching tens of thousands of acres.
Agents have made about 200 arrests since the fires began Sunday, Johnson said.
Two firefighters told CNN that several of the 24 injured in the Harris fire were what they called "international hikers," or illegals crossing the mountains. (Posted 10:51 a.m.)

"International Hikers"