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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby kevincarter » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 09:59:05

Ferretlover you made my day!!!!! That is one of the best posts I've ever seen on the internet, thanks!!!! :-D :) :-D :)
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby Resurrection » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 14:31:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '
')Life is tough; It's tougher if you're stupid


I'd like to add my appreciation for this post!

Kinda reassuring in a way. By simply having enough metal capacity to understand peak oil, you will probably survive the die off by default while the hoards sit outside Jack in the box waiting for the burgers to show up.

And once the water supply is dirty, contaminated or poisoned do you think these people will have the good sense to try and find fresher supply? Such as water in boiler ect? Hellz no.

As crazy as it sounds, I think I'd survive a fast die off better then I'd survive a long emergency.

Oh to the OP. I disagree with savethehumans. You do get used to it I think. I'm not myself religious in the slightest , but the Serenity Prayer with the 'god' bits stripped is just great advice for life and peak aware people.


accept the things you cannot change;
change the things you can;
Have the wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace.

Because, life can suck, it's temporary and once ya numbers up, that's it. Right now you are living in the richest time, in one of the richest county's in the world! It will never be this good again. Take a step back, look at your computer and take a second to marvel at the technology that allows you to discuss your worries with like mined people world wide. You know your days of comfort and having a safety net are numbered, so make the most of it while it's still here. You might as well, if you don't someone else will for ya.

bart made a great point, dude people throughout history have been getting shafted. Hell, there is still extreme suffering and poverty in the world right now. Just be fully greatful you got though the first 30 years of your life without having to deal with this shit.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 07 Aug 2007, 18:34:32

Well it looks like your 'depressed' thread took a funny turn. How about this one:

"(1996, Texas) 45 year old Amy Brasher was arrested in San Antonio after a mechanic reported to police that 18 packages of marijuana were packed in the engine compartment of the car which she had brought to the mechanic for an oil change. According to police, Brasher later said that she didn't realize that the mechanic would have to raise the hood to change the oil."

Whenever you're feeling blue, just look up Darwin Awards on the internet.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 22:36:17

Keeping a sense of humor may get us through hard times. Maybe the thing we should remember is that we have lived in one of the richest nations and periods and history and all things must pass.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby RacerJace » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 09:01:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')To be truly happy one must live life in the absolute present, enjoy the moment to its fullest, make no judgment of the past and not be concerned about the future.

To have a life of true meaning one must constantly assess what is meaningful, often wallowing in the past about the opportunities missed or misjudged actions and obsessing about the future.."


This is a slightly edited version of a quote from the TV show Heroes Series 1 Episode 18 made by the character called Mr. Linderman talking to Nathan Petrelli. Of course it was probably originally penned by some notable philosopher... Who ever it was I thought it was very apt for the world we live in today.

Do you want the path of happiness or the path of meaning?
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby careinke » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 12:19:22

A local sport store had a huge sale banner up yesterday. It said, "Shoe Sale, buy one get one free!!" Cracked me up.

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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 03 Sep 2007, 11:43:20

I think having a dark sense of humor is a tremendous aid in understanding PO and not letting it drive you crazy.

One of the more humorous mental images I get is when I imagine the alternate future scenarios of Mad Max and Little House on the Prairie. Somehow a few of the Mad Max characters always seem to pop up in the Little House on the Prairie scene...and that's just pure mayhem.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 01:46:56

I was depressed about PO but then I decided to start an organic garden in my back yard. I totally geeked out on all the permaculture books and suddenly everyone around me is saying: "Wow! This computer nerd who never sees the sunlight decided to become a farmer! He's interesting!". I even have something to talk about at dinner parties now that doesn't cause people's eyes to glaze over. I also feel that I am much better prepared for the future now. Every week I work more on learning and applying sustainable organic farming techniques that re-use what the land gives me. I've already had a few harvest dinners from the enormous amount of food I was able to produce.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby Iaato » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 12:48:16

Funny Ferret, thanks. I am looking for humor after reading "The Road" last night. {Do NOT read this book if you are feeling particularly gloomy.} Here are some fantastic uplifting ideas on how to solve our energy problems, some of the best quoted below (stolen from FoolYap on MF). Aaron can dispense with PO.com now, we're saved!

Energy solutions at CNN.com

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: Dwayne Fries, Columbus, OH
Date: September 24, 2007
Your view: I have been working on the problem of renewable energies since 1999, long before the gas prices got out of control. I have designed two unique features to a solar collector dish that make it far more economical and far more powerful. I was working on putting it into full production when I came up with another idea that was far more powerful. I have come up with a design of a new devise that is much like a microchip. It is very tiny and will draw in heat from the air to convert it into electricity, just like creating minature lightening bolts. I do not have the full design quite yet, but most of the design work is done. Within twenty years, I believe that there will be no need for batteries or plugging anything into a wall. Every kind of electronic devise or anything else that runs off of any type of power supply will simply use the energy that is already in the heat of the air to provide needed energy for all devises. Cell phones will simply work without needing recharging. Cars will run without gasoline. I am very close to having a full design laid out and will be able to start production of the devise within another 5 to 8 years, I am confident.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: Christina Wimberly, Rome, NY
Date: September 20, 2007
Your view: Honestly, I believe that in the year 2020, America and many more developed countries will be running on things as simple as salt water and paper! It sounds ludacris at the moment, however, now it is quite possible. I mean, I just read an article about the new nano battery that is as thin as a sheet of paper and can potentially serve for better purpose than the regular old double A....or any other type for that matter. Also, saltwater, some super smart guy actually figured out a way to combust it using radiowaves. True story and our future! It really is as simple as that.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: frances durand, lincoln, NB
Date: September 20, 2007
Your view: MY REMARCK IS ABOUT TODAYS STORY ABOUT PAPER BATTERYS. IT IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT LIKE ALL OTHER GOOD INTENTIONS OF INVENTIONS THEY END UP BEING USED FOR EVIL. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW FURURE TERROIST COULD USE A DEVICE LIKE THAT WITH PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DETECT. I AM NOT A FOOL I LOVE LIVING IN THIS AGE OF EASE, ALL THE ASVANTAGES WITH LIVE WITH, I WOULD BE LOST WITHOUTH MY TV, CDS.COMPUTER ECT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THE ERRORS OF OUR PAST WOULD NOT BE REPEATED.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: tony simonelli, lawrence, MA
Date: September 15, 2007
Your view: They have recently showed how water can burn hotter then the sun and can power a car. It would be a true testimit to how horrible human kind is if this fuel source is not made public. This is the stuff of science fiction turning science fact. Big oil will probably fight this discovery and i would not be suprised if the government does as well. They will say well it will cost jobs. THE HELL WITH JOBS! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FREE RENEWABLE AND POLUTION FREE FUEL. I hope we embrace this new tecnology. It would be dispicable if it was not allowed all in the name of profit. If you want to verify this discovery please search on the web.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: Brian Fultz, Burleson, TX
Date: September 13, 2007
Your view: I recently read an article that talked about growing crops in sky scrapers using solar power. Attach an ethanol plant to that sky scraper and you have a clean, renewable, and self sufficient energy source. Energy crisis solved.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom: Seth Connell, Pullman, USA
Date: September 10, 2007
Your view: There are many options open to us as far as where we will be able to obtain energy by the time of 2020; it is up to us to research and develop these resources so that they will be readily available to the public.

I feel that by 2020, with the exception of the little amount of fossil fuels left, the rest of our power is realistically going to come from solar cells and wind-mill farms. There is already a big move in the industrial sector towards expanding the use of these types of power generationg and it has proven efficient enough to continue the expansion of these technologies.

Now, if I was to throw out a very inprobable alternative to solar, wind, fuel-cell, and nuclear power it would be this:

In the past few years there has been a breakthrough in two seperate fields of science. The first is the teleportation of light from point A to point B over the distance of a half meter. The second breakthrough is the perfect mirror developed at MIT. This mirror reflects 100% of the light it interacts with. My idea integrates both of these innovations into a device that could potentially create an endless power source.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ake the light transportation device, and coat the entire thing in the perfect mirror material. Place the transportation device inside of a large sphere, whose inside is also coverred in the perfect mirror material. Then place that sphere into a large pool of water. Once you transport the light into that sphere, it will continually bounce around creating heat, which will in turn heat up the sphere, creating steam to rise from the pool. This is, in effect, an endless supply of steam energy. Like I said, it is a very inprobable idea.
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby Ayoob » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 21:33:29

The only thing that could possibly have made the end of The Road more depressing is if the guy that found the boy said to him as he unzipped his pants, "Today just ain't your lucky day."
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby static66 » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 22:02:10

Ferretlover... What are you doing at a McDonalds AND a Wal-Mart!!
Things are getting bad, you need to get local as soon as possible and that means no more MickeyD's and certainly not any aimless consumerism at the evil WM!! Seriously, get everyone you know on a local diet and stop the spending at the Chinese poison center!
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 23:21:22

lolol @ static! *I* wasn't at those places, you goose!
Those were items I abstracted from from a website listing things stupid people had done...
It has been several years since I went to a Walmart--I don't plan to help them become the Only Retail Store.
And, McDonalds--just sniffing the air in the immediate area can supply a person with the fat and salt requirements for at least a week! lolol
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby static66 » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 09:30:31

Phew... I thought it was strange that I was reading that on your post... I must have jumped the gun and when I saw the words immediately replied... Anybody read the Oil Depletion Protocol yet?
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby Gman61 » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 04:14:47

Guys,

This is an interesting thread. I know there are heaps of these threads on the psychological impact of Peak Oil, but this is the first I have read - so this is where I make my little contribution.

The depression and anxiety we feel is really about accepting change. There is something in our culture (and perhaps all cultures) that does not prepare us for the transcience of ALL things, let alone the transcience of our society.

I had a bit of a PO epiphany after watching the movie 'Crude Awakening'. Now I am a university lecturer in Thermodynamics with a keen interest in energy generation and sustainability - so the film wasn't exactly 'news' to me. In fact, it was old hat - yet its impact on me was profound. I walked out of the cinema that evening into an entertainment area of my city, looked at it all, and thought "This will all be gone soon - every last bit of it". It was a winter's evening, but the street was full to the brim with beautiful people whooping it up. The outdoor eating areas of cafes were all being warmed by big suspended radiators. The light on the street was bright enough to read by. Everyone was eating and drinking and laughing. I suddenly had this bizarre, surreal sense of separation from it all - this street that would normally be my own weekend stamping ground. Suddenly, the people looked absurd. They looked drunk and gluttonous and decadant - crazy hedonists laughing and drinking while the world ended. I had a panic attack - I just couldn't see any way out.

Nowadays I take impending disaster in my stride! The world as we know it will end soon - and it will be replaced by a different world. It was ever thus. The capitalist dream of never-ending growth and spectacular material over-indulgence is feted to end. It is a dream - it was always just a dream. But most of us grew up in the middle of it and some people convinced us that it was 'reality'.

The realisation of doom is no justification for depression or nihilism or fatalism. Life goes on - we do our best. The world is just evolving, as it has always done. Admittedly, this next correction looks to be a very painful and brutal one. But life, for most people, at most times in history, in most places on the planet, has been brutal and difficult. Its just that we haven't experenced that.

Just think of it as the most ingenious reality game show ever thought of - and you are starring in it! Sorry, that sounds a little flippant! What I mean is, a lot of reality game shows work on the premise of taking people out of cosy, materially wealthy, middle class environments and throwing them into some kind of wilderness where they have to fend for themselves , under sets of rules entirely different to their usual lives. Well - it will be like that, but with no going home.

One of the subjects I lecture is Manufacturing - where I explain to my students the revolution in manufacturing that has been driven by plastics. Then I explain to them how it is all about to change - for the obvious reasons. Then I just get on with it!

I am not sure if I feel better or worse for all that!
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Re: Being informed is too depressing for me!

Unread postby POAlex » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 19:53:35

If our joy and peace is built on things that can perish, its no wonder we feel this way when things fall apart.

Here's a great quote from Jesus.

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:" (Matthew 6:19-20)
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