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National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 20:54:19

Augie Fash Is Pretty Fast I didn't know this was possible! Wow! I could never get a yo-yo to come back up to my hand when I tried it. There is such a range of human talents. Some are great at acrobatics and diving. I was good at swimming and ping pong but couldn't get into skateboards or surfing. Some are born with musical talent. The list goes on and on. But this kid obviously has some kind of combination dexterity, spatial imagination and topological/mathematical talents that's one of the best in the world.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby roccman » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 21:03:42

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 00:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Now it is true that the kid should get rid of the Jim Carrey Dumb and Dumber haircut. But there's not one in a billion that can do that. The High Order Of The Highest Geek. They should make an Olympic event of that kind of talent. And don't kid yourself, that's some amazing talent. You know you couldn't do that.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 00:40:35

btw, this is the kind of talent that leads to the famous Gordian Knot. This kid could no doubt tie a knot to baffle anyone. Alexander the Great had his answer, he chopped it with a sword. Brute strength wins in the end was the message. And a will to kill. Though Alex did have a sense of cunning.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby strider3700 » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 00:57:46

Thats amazing. I'm not half bad with a Yo-yo but I didn't even know that was possible.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 01:09:23

I expressed the same sentiments, strider. I could hardly believe it when I saw it. That kid is amazing.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby roccman » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 01:23:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Now it is true that the kid should get rid of the Jim Carrey Dumb and Dumber haircut. But there's not one in a billion that can do that. The High Order Of The Highest Geek. They should make an Olympic event of that kind of talent. And don't kid yourself, that's some amazing talent. You know you couldn't do that.


Yeah - I could do "walk the dog", "baby in a cradle", and "round the world"... My yo-yo was my favorite toy growing up...a purple Duncan.

I solved the rubiks cube a few times - and was good a Merlin, but you're right...this kid is one in a billion.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 01:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')I solved the rubiks cube a few times - and was good a Merlin, but you're right...this kid is one in a billion.
It's so dazzling. I've watched it a dozen time or more. It's a very male thing to love that sort of display of agility and dexterity. But the intelligence is a factor too. Solving the Rubic's cube has become a metaphor for intelligence. I did it too after obsessing over it for a while.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby roccman » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 02:00:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')I solved the rubiks cube a few times - and was good a Merlin, but you're right...this kid is one in a billion.
It's so dazzling. I've watched it a dozen time or more. It's a very male thing to love that sort of display of agility and dexterity. But the intelligence is a factor too. Solving the Rubic's cube has become a metaphor for intelligence. I did it too after obsessing over it for a while.


The code book for the cube was the challenge.

I taught my two kids to learn the code and solve it.

They did.

I packed the cube and the code book in the bunker. Somehow I have a feeling that days standing firewatch on a hilltop are going to need an anti boredom device...the cube, a book, or a deck of cards may just do the trick.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby MD » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 06:38:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')I solved the rubiks cube a few times - and was good a Merlin, but you're right...this kid is one in a billion.
It's so dazzling. I've watched it a dozen time or more. It's a very male thing to love that sort of display of agility and dexterity. But the intelligence is a factor too. Solving the Rubic's cube has become a metaphor for intelligence. I did it too after obsessing over it for a while.


The code book for the cube was the challenge.

I taught my two kids to learn the code and solve it.

They did.

I packed the cube and the code book in the bunker. Somehow I have a feeling that days standing firewatch on a hilltop are going to need an anti boredom device...the cube, a book, or a deck of cards may just do the trick.


I read the book first so I never did really solve the cube. I then screwed around with it going for speed. Getting under a couple minutes was tough.

A deck of cards in the bunker is a must along with three other solid bridge players.

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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 13:29:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '
')I read the book first so I never did really solve the cube. I then screwed around with it going for speed. Getting under a couple minutes was tough.
there are three ways to solve the cube:

1) read the book

2) trial and error

3) study advanced group theory

advanced group theory was why it was invented, but way number 3 is only for the serious mathematician. way number 2 could take years of effort and may never succeed. It wouldn't surprise if almost everyone, therefor, used method number 1. that's still solving the cube though.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby strider3700 » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 14:17:51

I wasn't aware there was a specific book on solving the cube

I solved it after speaking with one of my math profs that collected them and was laying out a paper on various algorithms to solve them. Yes she did group theory.

I never took much group theory. I figured it out by thinking about it and testing a few theories. I figured those guys that race at it are following an algorithm. I just build and break sides as needed.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 14:39:33

yes there was a book you could buy that laid out all the algorithms. if your math prof showed you these algorithms on paper then that's about the same as reading the books. one does have to put some thinking into learning/memorizing the methods though. I recall thinking about them as I went to sleep and woke up still thinking about them. As I mentioned, these methods can be calculated using group theory (which I did take an introductory course on), they can be learned or they can be discovered by trial and error. The latter would no doubt take a long time and be very difficult even for a genius who was without any training.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 15:15:31

Well no offense to anyone, but I have been able to solve the cube since I was 5 years old. I didn't study any of that crap. I can still to this take take any cube and solve it in less that 3 minutes
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby MD » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 16:05:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')ell no offense to anyone, but I have been able to solve the cube since I was 5 years old. I didn't study any of that crap. I can still to this take take any cube and solve it in less that 3 minutes


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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 16:28:32

Still doesn't compare to those guys who can solve it in 45 seconds. My hands just can't move that bloody fast
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 17:55:39

well I'll be darned. a prodigy! some of those last moves are pretty complicated. so you didn't study any of that stuff and no one showed you how it works, just figured out all by your 5 year old self. wow! 8)
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 18:18:07

In highschool I could do the cube in prolly 90 secs with the top to bottom method. I didn't bother to try the other, faster methods because i only had a crappy cube built in ukraine :P I figure with some practice, a better algorithm and an expensive cube, i could be down to 30-35 seconds for the 3x3x3 cube.

As for the yoyo kid, that video is at double speed at least. That's still good skill, but not very impressive. But this one is:

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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 18:27:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'I')n highschool I could do the cube in prolly 90 secs with the top to bottom method.
just out of curiosity, did you figure out those last more complex moves on your own without any assistance of any kind? as for the speed records:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')Single time: Thibaut Jacquinot of France set the best time of 9.86 seconds in the second round of the Spanish Open 2007 held on May 5, 2007, overtaking the previous best time of 10.36 seconds set by Edouard Chambon of France at the Belgian Open a few months earlier. Interestingly, in the final of the Spanish Open, Jacquinot was edged out by Chambon by 0.8 seconds on average time.
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Re: National Yo-Yo Champion

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 18:45:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'j')ust out of curiosity, did you figure out those last more complex moves on your own without any assistance of any kind?

When i learned the method i was in 8th grade i think, there were a bunch of us that bought cubes at the same time and none of us had access to books on cube solving methods, we just experimented on our own and exchanged impressions. The first day we all learned to do the top on our own, then the first and second lateral rows. But the bottom was kinda hard, nobody cracked it for about 3 days. So we got together one day with pen and paper and we figured out the endgame in about 1 hour.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')s for the speed records:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')Single time: Thibaut Jacquinot of France set the best time of 9.86 seconds in the second round of the Spanish Open 2007 held on May 5, 2007, overtaking the previous best time of 10.36 seconds set by Edouard Chambon of France at the Belgian Open a few months earlier. Interestingly, in the final of the Spanish Open, Jacquinot was edged out by Chambon by 0.8 seconds on average time.


I know the pros have been around the 10 second mark for a while, but I'm pretty sure an average of 30 secs and a best time of 25 is quite good for an amateur like me. I lose interrest quite quickly, once i learn the important bits I won't be motivated enough to put the effort into endlessly training to shave my time down.

As an aside, i find it fascinating that in less than 10 seconds a human being can either run 100 m or solve the cube. :)
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