[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a staggering sweep in California, 1,300 illegal immigrants have been arrested. Last week, federal agents in Nevada raided 11 McDonald's restaurants as part of a crackdown on illegal immigrants. In New York's Nassau County, armed Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials raided homes in the middle of the night in search of gang members and fugitives.

[holmes]

yes, it is their job and responsibility.

[Fishman]

With Mexico's oil exports and revenue plummeting things should get very interesting on the Rio border.

[Kingcoal]

As long as the "illegals" don't file for government bennies or do anything illegal, they have a right to come here to live and work. God knows this country needs lots of workers to do the jobs which are beneath us Natural Born residents.
My ancestors had no Social Security numbers, no Medicare/Medicaid, no free lunch whatsoever. They were completely unknown to the Federal government. Contrary to popular belief (and this belief appears to be strong among some moderators on this board based on posts of mine which have been deleted), you do not need a license to work and live in this country.

On the other hand, if you want to come here and commit crimes and/or get free s**t from the government without first going through the process of Naturalization, you deserve to be arrested and deported.

[Bas]

it's a lose-lose situation in terms of finances; The US economy will suffer and tracking down/deporting costs alot of money....why do we have those arbitrary borders between states anyway? it's so..... ant like.
ok, I guess being a "foreigner" myself here my opinion doesn't really count.

*slowly and carefully backs out of thread*

[Jack]

I'm all for mass deportations.
As the U.S economy declines, the problem of finding workers for distasteful jobs will evaporate. Then, as Mexico crashes due to Cantarell and overpopulation, we can seal the border.

The times, they are a'changing - and in this case, very much for the better!

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')'m all for mass deportations.
As the U.S economy declines, the problem of finding workers for distasteful jobs will evaporate. Then, as Mexico crashes due to Cantarell and overpopulation, we can seal the border.
The times, they are a'changing - and in this case, very much for the better!

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I') hope we dutch can still come over when our country disappears under them wavez. We speakz very good English and we be mostly white

[Windmills]

I think we should do a better job of sealing the boarder simply because there will come a time when illegals actually are competing with us for jobs we need. As long as there are enough jobs to go around, as it is now, we'll just keep fumbling for a funding, policy, and enforcement. Once peak oil creeps more deeply into the USA, we'll see some real border action as Americans start fighting over all the crappy jobs we have others do right now. It's a problem that will remedy itself once the economy becomes depressed enough. If we we're willing to engage in a civil war that was to a major extent about jobs and kill each other, we'll certainly turn on the foreigners even more quickly.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'B')as, with your environmental background, you - of all people! - should recognize that the world is in overshoot. Arguably, the U.S. is too. Despite the many laudable qualities of the Dutch people, their rich culture, and their many positive contributions to the world, I have to ask whether there is space for them or anyone else.
Still, I'd much rather welcome the fine people of Holland than a whole lot of others, for all of the foregoing reasons.

[Aaron]

Pretty interesting results so far.

Says a great deal about our demographics on this website I think.

Polarized.

[Blacksmith]

What can we do to stop americans coming into Canada. Prehaps an electic fense. One string. Works with cattle, should work.

[eastbay]

About once or twice a year ICE (and INS before 2003) rounds up and deports a few thousand illeals in highly publicized raids like the ones linked above. These raids amount to something on the order of 1/5,000th of the illegal population in the USA and are done solely to gain publicity for political reasons.
Rounding up a few illegals at McD's has nothing at all to do with reducing the number of illegals, which will never occur because it's against the interests of both major political parties and industry.

Keep in mind that, depending on the season, 500 to 1,000 people are allowed to illegally enter the USA each day, mostly from Mexico, but many others are allowed to illegally enter the easy way arriving on international flights posing as H1B's, tourists, business visitors, students, cultural exchange applicants, etc. The US has a very open border because TPTB want it that way.
And Jack, there is no way the USA will conduct 'mass deportations' of illegals no matter how beneficial it would be. Remember, the USA spends billions annually putting on an elaborate show 'pretending' to stop illegal border crossings. America could easily and humanely stop nearly all illegal crossings, but we lack the collective will.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')nd Jack, there is no way the USA will conduct 'mass deportations' of illegals no matter how beneficial it would be. Remember, the USA spends billions annually putting on an elaborate show 'pretending' to stop illegal border crossings. America could easily and humanely stop nearly all illegal crossings, but we lack the collective will.

[Ludi]

No, it's a waste of time and resources. To solve the illegal immigrant "problem" we should either try to help other countries fix the economic situations which make people want to come here in the first place or we should prosecute those who hire illegals. Neither of these solutions will be implemented so running around after illegals is a waste of time.....but no doubt a growing industry.

I never know whether to roll my eyes or grit my teeth over the immigrant issue.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'W')hat can we do to stop american coming into Canada. Prehaps an electic fense.

[eastbay]

You're absolutely correct. I'll be putting together a longish post later today that supports your position entirely.

I can't wait to read it.

Every time I read an article touting the work of, 'ICE', 'CBP', or 'Border Patrol', or 'Homeland Security', I'm reminded again how gullible people generally are. The exaggeration and complete nonsense most people believe is truly amazing.

[Blacksmith]

Yes bitumen. Perhaps you could try Chavez.

[Ferretlover]

From my current viewpoint: I don't object to Mexicans or the citizens of any other country coming to America--As Long As They Do It Legally. I read somewhere that last year, there were more that 147,000 non-Hispanic people who slipped across the southern border. Last week, I read that Cubans were now coming into the US by way of Mexico. (sorry-no links, but read those items online news links)
I most heartily object to our borders being overrun by illegal aliens.
And, because of the future that I foresee due to the affects of PO, I think that illegal aliens will become a more serious problem-there is only going to be so much food, etc., available, and I am just selfish enough to want what the US has to go to US citizens.
I am afraid that when Mexico no longer has oil to sell, there will be a massive, unstoppable migration of Mexicans north.

[Chesire]

They are not going to kick the illegal immigrants out for one reason.
They are going to use the poor bastards for cannon fodder in the resource wars. A lot of the current illegal jobs will either vanish or be usurped by american citizens . A lot of "distasteful jobs" become very "good jobs" when the alternative is being sent to war I would think. The illegals are being set up and really have no way out. They can't run back to where they came from and there will be no way to make a living in america except to be in the military. Any 'citizen ' will turn them in immediately for a bag of rice and some poptarts if they show up looking for work someplace.