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Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Jack » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 09:20:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gerontion', 'i')f I were to skip down the street every time I heard another yank GI had had his legs blown off in Baghdad shouting "Told ya so..told ya so....told ya so...", would this establishes me as a political genius who had seen through the miasma of lies surrounding American foreign policy…or would it just make me look like a bit of a cock?


Actually, it would make you look like a U.S. Presidential candidate.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Gerontion » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 15:18:05

^ Do me a favour. Don't you just love the internet? Everyone's a hard-boiled hero who - all alone in the world - speaks of truths with granite-like certainty and us mere mortals can only cower in their shadows. You've been reading too many comics pal.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 15:36:41

And people wonder why the Founding Fathers of the United States wrote the Second Amendment.

Gun control works.

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Especially in Burma.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby bodigami » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 21:27:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'J')ack you must have come to the same conclusion I did on 'educating' people about the truth of humanity, it's pointless. People see their values as bottomless pits of truth, even though if you asked them how they got them they couldn't give you a clear reason without using the words "good', "right" or "just" (or even sillier religious reasons).

So I've come to the conclusion you do it for entertainment, and it is funny and I would like you to continue. We should create some kind of drinking game where every time a few hundred people die in some kind of human initiated way we have a drink. Bottoms up.


Humanity is suicidal and stupid, but I don't find it funny. Happyness, compassion, tranquility, serenity,... I don't find them silly. I do find it ironic that someone that celebrates human suffering isn't depressed enough as to commit suicide.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Benzin » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 21:37:13

History is nothing more than a bloody march through time.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Jack » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 21:43:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')Humanity is suicidal and stupid, but I don't find it funny. Happyness, compassion, tranquility, serenity,... I don't find them silly. I do find it ironic that someone that celebrates human suffering isn't depressed enough as to commit suicide.


With so much suffering to celebrate, there's no time to get depressed! Busy, busy, busy! 8)
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 02 Oct 2007, 21:50:27

Nothing restores order and quiets things down like brutal repression:

Burmese play tense waiting game

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')I'm really scared," said one woman when she was sure no-one else could hear.

"I don't want to be the next one to get a knock on the door from the soldiers in the middle of the night," another man said.

They have good reason to be concerned. Thousands of monks and others who led the marches of the past few weeks have now been arrested - and these arrests are still continuing.

Most are picked up under cover of nightfall and corralled into large, heavily-guarded buildings on the outskirts of the city, such as the Government Technical Centre and the National Library.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Ayame » Wed 03 Oct 2007, 04:23:32

The monks would stand a better fighting chance if they armed themselves with AK-47's and had hidden combat training camps in the jungle. A few rocket propelled grenades wouldn't go amiss either. Of course they would probably be breaking all their religious rules concerning non-violence...
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby PolestaR » Wed 03 Oct 2007, 05:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'H')umanity is suicidal and stupid, but I don't find it funny. Happyness, compassion, tranquility, serenity,... I don't find them silly. I do find it ironic that someone that celebrates human suffering isn't depressed enough as to commit suicide.


I can't get depressed for some reason, or maybe I would be like you say. Either way, to me there is humor in everything, death, etc, no real limit except when it comes to those I care for. In fact, the more taboo it,the rarer it is, which makes lack of quality not count so much.

I can't speak for Jack so much personally (he at least appears to have a similar profile to myself) but people who are like me are rather rare. That's not to say it's such a good thing, there are times when my solutions to problems neglect emotions/feelings and others are upset by it. It's mostly because I can't place such a high value on them as I don't share the same feelings/emotions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')appyness, compassion, tranquility, serenity,... I don't find them silly


I don't find them silly either, I have a lot of compassion for those I care about. I think people just misunderstand that I have redefined what I call my tribe, it's not the human race, it's not my country, it's not my city, it's the core group of people in my life. Everyone outside of that is irrelevant to me and to be used/abused/treated however best suits my core group. And that doesn't exclude being nice or treating others with compassion, if that is what is best for the group.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby roccman » Wed 03 Oct 2007, 09:59:27

Again - it appears oil is driving death...

Fueling the military junta that has ruled for decades are Burma’s natural gas reserves, controlled by the Burmese regime in partnership with the U.S. multinational oil giant Chevron, the French oil company Total and a Thai oil firm. Offshore natural gas facilities deliver their extracted gas to Thailand through Burma’s Yadana pipeline. The pipeline was built with slave labor, forced into servitude by the Burmese military.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he original pipeline partner, Unocal, was sued by EarthRights International for the use of slave labor. As soon as the suit was settled out of court, Chevron bought Unocal.

Chevron’s role in propping up the brutal regime in Burma is clear. According to Marco Simons, U.S. legal director at EarthRights International: “Sanctions haven’t worked because gas is the lifeline of the regime. Before Yadana went online, Burma’s regime was facing severe shortages of currency. It’s really Yadana and gas projects that kept the military regime afloat to buy arms and ammunition and pay its soldiers.”

The U.S. government has had sanctions in place against Burma since 1997. A loophole exists, though, for companies grandfathered in. Unocal’s exemption from the Burma sanctions has been passed on to its new owner, Chevron.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Wed 03 Oct 2007, 10:18:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')gain - it appears oil is driving death...


Oil is the very colour of death.

Somehow I'm not surprised at all to read that.

Ironic that as carbon based life forms, hydrocarbons are killing us.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 04:02:06

They're good at what they do. If you're going to run a totalitarian dictatorship, might as well do it right:

Myanmar troops launch nighttime roundups to intimidate activists

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter crushing the democracy uprising with guns, Myanmar's junta stepped up its campaign to intimidate citizens Wednesday, sending troops to drag people from their homes in the middle of the night and letting others know they were marked for retribution.

"We have photographs! We are going to make arrests!" soldiers yelled from loudspeakers on military vehicles that patrolled the streets in Yangon, Myanmar's biggest city.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby virgincrude » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 05:18:40

Moderator Jack and Polestar used to be defined as sociopaths. But now that there are so many sociopaths running the US and in power everywhere you look, it's just become the norm.

PO has become the excuse they use to justify their lack of compassion/empathy and their innate inability to truly care for anybody other than themselves. Both are enjoying the opportunity the internet provides to flaunt their differences, granting them a degree of power, and the freedom to cackle and gloat over the misfortunes of others with out consequences.

They're just men with social personality disorders. Nothing matters to them except their own personal wellbeing, and to this end, all means are valid.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 08:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 'M')oderator Jack and Polestar used to be defined as sociopaths. But now that there are so many sociopaths running the US and in power everywhere you look, it's just become the norm.


That's like saying strong single women with black hair used to be defined as witches. Just because a group of people say something is something bad or damaged, doesn't necessarily make it so.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 'B')oth are enjoying the opportunity the internet provides to flaunt their differences, granting them a degree of power, and the freedom to cackle and gloat over the misfortunes of others with out consequences.


Agreed, there isn't many places you can be yourself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 'T')hey're just men with social personality disorders. Nothing matters to them except their own personal wellbeing, and to this end, all means are valid.


Except I just said the groups wellbeing matters to me, which isn't just myself.
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Re: Burma: Thousands dead in massacre

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 11 Oct 2007, 01:13:31

Hardball:

Myanmar opposition leader tortured to death

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Myanmar opposition leader who was arrested during last month's mass protests against the junta died due to torture during interrogation, an activist group said on Wednesday.

In Washington, the United States threatened new sanctions against Myanmar after media reports of the death of Win Shwe.
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