[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')xposed: The Carlyle Group: Shocking documentary uncovers the subversion of Americas democracy.
I defy you to watch this 48 minute documentary and not be outraged about the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of our government.
Note: The first one minute forty seven seconds of this program is in broadcast in Dutch, The remainder is in English.

[Liamj]

Agree, its a stunner. But as you say, its been out there a while, and don't see Carlyle bothered. I used to think that if enough ppl saw/knew shocking info xyz, enough of them would 'do' something about it, & progress might be made.

But I no longer think this is even theoretically possible, primarily because the number of people who are even interested in the fact they are being deceived & defrauded is actually pretty small. Most of the ppl who are interested are already active in one or several enterprises/campaigns/whatever trying to progress an issue anyway and have limited time to open new fronts.

So.. the church of good-media-will-save-us doesn't get much support from me. Which is ironic really cos I help run a news-concentrating site energybulletin.net, but we started that cos we wanted the news ourselves.

[BabyPeanut]

The reason we don't do anything about it is that "it" is us. We are as accountable as anyone else. We consume the goods and pay the taxes, etc. If we were willing to give up the benefits of this arrangement then there would be change but who wants to do that?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', '
') I help run a news-concentrating site energybulletin.net, but we started that cos we wanted the news ourselves.

[Liamj]

cheers Penult.man, good to know we're on the right track. We trying to be an info service rather than an opinion source (which is why i'm so opinionated on po.com), & encourage any & all to submit content they think we're missing or challenge our bias (cos we've all got some).

[quote='babypeanut"] If we were willing to give up the benefits of this arrangement then there would be change but who wants to do that? [/quote] the buck stops there all right, and i've yet to see much actual evidence that many humans are capable (i.e. wired appropriately) of making that choice.

Too often in evolutionary past the selfish choice has been the right choice, for genes anyway, and wishful thinking wont rewire neurons - time, leisure, literacy, numeracy & real desire to understand are only a few of the reqd precursors if trying to think yr way out of the mainstream death cult.

Relativism rules, particularly among those who think that because they care & ARE working for change, it'll all work out: "i'm doing more than that guy, so thats good right?". But even 110% bottle recycling wont save anything in the end.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Particularly revealing were the stories about civil unrest in Nepal and Bolivia because those governments can't afford to subsidize energy use by their populations. Talk about harbingers!

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')governments can't afford to subsidize energy use by their populations.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rerere', 'A')s the economy tightens, the energy assistance will be one of the cut programs. So in these United States - how many of the now cold masses won't go ahead and 'express' their opinion in 'less than constructive' ways?

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'T')he poor are doomed.

[JayOzy]

Did you know that the Carlyle Group is accused of "conspiracy" by Gary Fontana?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
OTOR, S.A., OTOR FINANCE, S.A. and OTOR PARTICIPATIONS, S.A.S.
Plaintiffs,
-against-
CREDIT LYONNAIS, S.A. THE CARLYLE GROUP, L.L.C., CLINVEST, S.A., CARLYLE EUROPE PARTNERS, L.P., CEP GENERAL PARTNER, L.P., CARLYLE (LUXEMBOURG) PARTICIPATIONS 2 S.A.R.L., CARLYLE
(LUXEMBOURG) HOLDINGS 1 S.A.R.L., CARLYLE (LUXEMBOURG) HOLDINGS 2 S.A.R.L., CGH 3 LIMITED, CGH 4 LIMITED, WILLIAM E. CONWAY, JR., DANIEL A. D’ANIELLO, CHRISTOPHER FINN, and DAVID
M. RUBENSTEIN, Defendants.

NATURE OF THIS ACTION
This action is based upon a conspiracy formulated and conducted in the United States by Credit Lyonnais S.A. (“Credit Lyonnaisâ€

[Colorado-Valley]

I've been wandering around trying to connect dots for a few days and I found this article:

"Arrested Russian Businessman Is Carlyle Group Adviser By Greg Schneider, Washington Post Staff Writer, Monday, November 10, 2003:
The arrest of two of Russia's top businessmen in recent months was more than a distant headline for Washington's well-connected private equity firm, Carlyle Group. Carlyle, known for the glittering roster of former statesmen among its partners and advisers, has ties to both Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Platon Lebedev, the jailed Russian tycoons.

Khodorkovsky, 40, Russia's richest man and former chief executive of Yukos Oil Co., serves as an adviser to Carlyle's Energy Group. He is among 15 luminaries who help the firm sort through investment opportunities in energy industries, along with former secretary of state James A. Baker III, former British prime minister John Major and Pulitzer-Prize-winning author Daniel Yergin.

Khodorkovsky was arrested last month by Russian authorities for alleged fraud and tax evasion. Because the billionaire is seen as a possible political rival to President Vladimir Putin, his arrest has unsettled the country's business community and worried foreign investors. Carlyle spokesman Christopher W. Ullman declined to comment on the matter.

Sources close to the firm say Carlyle is taking a cautious look at the business climate in Russia. So far, Carlyle has no investments in Russia, and has not followed through on preliminary discussions about starting a buyout fund with Russian investment company Alfa Group, the sources said. Lebedev, chairman of Group Menatep, a holding company that is a major shareholder in Yukos, was arrested in July on fraud charges. Lebedev had served as an adviser to Carlyle's European investment funds, but is no longer listed on the firm's Web site. Neither man has played a significant role for Carlyle, the sources said. Carlyle does not disclose its compensation to advisers.

Meanwhile, the firm has lost the services of its most prominent associate: former president George H.W. Bush, who was senior adviser for Carlyle's Asia funds, retired last month, shortly after serving as the main draw at a dinner in Moscow to woo investors."

... Okay, maybe this is old news to those of you who follow this stuff. But Carlyle is perhaps the center of the military-industrial "shadow government," and it is also considered the key company in the Bush Family Empire.

And Yergin works for them? The oligarchs who tried to take over Russia's oil and gas resources worked for them before Putin showed up to put a stop to it? And of course we all know that the bin Laden family were major investors until the son started all this war stuff.

I think the true machinations on the world stage might might be much more interesting than what we're being told on Fox and CNN. Any other stuff I should know about the Carlyle Group?

[dissident]

According to an article I read in the Moscow Times (an extremely pro-western newspaper in Russia) Khodorkovsky gave 300 million US dollars to the Carlyle Group. The assertion by the Washington Post article you cite that Khodorkovsky was a viable presidential rival to Putin is quite inane. The vast majority of Russians view the oligarchs as crooks and even killers. Khodorkovsky would have no chance at the polls. His 3 million dollar contributions to opposition parties neither make him a saint nor establish his democratic credentials.

It is quite peculiar the rather extreme bias in favour of Khodorkovsky in the western media. The BBC actually calls his 8 year sentance long. Given the 25 year sentances handed out to the owners of Adelphia Cable in the US for fraud crimes that pale in comparison to Khodorkovsky's record, such pronouncements are absurd. Khodorkovsky is routinely invoked as somes sort of dissident martyr as if his case proves the absence of democracy in Russia. What such drivel proves is that the western media is not as free as it makes itself out to be.

[Russian_Cowboy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'I')t is quite peculiar the rather extreme bias in favour of Khodorkovsky in the western media. The BBC actually calls his 8 year sentance long. Given the 25 year sentances handed out to the owners of Adelphia Cable in the US for fraud crimes that pale in comparison to Khodorkovsky's record

[evilgenius]

So, that is why every time that Yergin is interviewed on CNBC or some other TV show he says that there is no such thing as peak oil in our near future. If you read The Prize you know that peak oil is an inescapable conclusion and that it isn't unreasonable to see it soon. I watched Yergin being interviewed recently in dismay. I thought this can't be the same man that wrote that book, unless he doesn't believe that the Caspian region is as dry as reports state or he is into getting as rich and insulated as possible before TSHTF.

[stu]

Looks like all the optimism from the $200 billion central bank intervention has evaporated quickly.

Carlyle Expects Banks to Seize Assets$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Carlyle Capital Corp. said late Wednesday it expects its creditors to seize all of the fund's remaining assets after unsuccessful negotiations to prevent its liquidation.
The London-based fund shook financial markets last week after missing margin calls from banks on its $21.7 billion portfolio of residential-mortgage-backed bonds. Carlyle's troubles have amplified fears that billions of dollars of depressed mortgage-backed securities will flood the market, reducing their value even further.
More than $5 billion of Carlyle's securities have already been sold, but the fund tried to negotiate with the banks to prevent the liquidation of the remaining $16 billion.

[americandream]

There's talk of a dollar crash.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

[dorlomin]

The BBC Onlines economics editor pointed out that the Feds intervention makes the hedge funds far more vaulnrable. For the banks things like mortguage backed securities can be exchanged for cash, but for the hedge funds no one wants them... so it is better for the banks to liquidate the hedge fund and get the loot.

Edited to add....

I think this could spark a fire sale in these asset as for some they will have alot of value (banks) and for others they will be valueless in the short term where many financial institutions need cash. So buyers at low prices can be found, effectively asset stripping an large group of firms.

But then when you dance with the devil you dont stop until the music stops.

[stu]

European shares follwing suit. The optimism that was generated from all those central banks intervening is dead in the water.

Financials lead European share slide; oil in focus

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')uropean shares fell sharply on Thursday as soaring oil prices threatened to bite into company profits, while banks fell as investors returned to earth after a two-day orbit fuelled by central bank liquidity injections.

[JFT]

Carlyle Group? Like in "the" Carlyle Group, the creepy private equity in which Bush Senior mingles with members of the Bin Laden family? So, it's plummeting? Good news!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')here's talk of a dollar crash.

[seahorse]

I hope the entire US/Western Oligarchy goes down and joins the rest of us in the food lines. If I had one wish, it would be for the east to rise up and put the icing on the cake by dumping those damn dollars and burying the oligarchs with them.