[roccman]

Agree with you 100%...a trade school is a better value.

[Plantagenet]

So its not the college education but the college loans that are the scam?

[Plantagenet]

Every kid has a future. The question is what kind of future?

Money isn't the only measure of success. Some people are especially attracted to certain fields of study and/or careers irregardless of the earnings potential. People have to decide for themselves how many sacrifices they are willing to make to live their dream.

Plumbers and electricians are great people who can have great careers. Teachers and Doctors and lawyers and diplomats and scientists and professors and architects and computer programmers can also have great careers.

Some careers require college and some don't. Some people who go to college don't like it or flunk out or regret the cost later. Some people who didn't go to college regret that choice later as well.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', ' ')My problem is colleges these days are trying to convince all parents that the must automatically send their kids to college, regardless. Even if the kid doesn't yet know what he wants to do with his life... let him decide his major during his third year. There are so many worthless college degrees and majors these days.

[Gigashadow]

College is not a scam, just get a degree in something actually worthwhile, like medicine, law, or engineering. If you choose to spend your time and money studying something of little value, like art history, you have only yourself to blame.

[strider3700]

How do you get 150,000 in college loans? That would have taken me somewhere near 13 or 14 years worth of schooling to rack up. Perhaps tuition is far worse in the US?

ignoring cost issues I got my BSc and at this point wish I had taken a trade. If had taken a trade I'd probably be wishing I had gone to university or will be when things cool down. You're either happy or you're not.

[bodigami]

"College on USA - one big scam"
fixed

I consider $250 per month an expensive University. I live in Costa Rica though (I keep writting this... at least to remember netizens that USA is not all the world).

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')gree with you 100%...a trade school is a better value.

[grabby]

In a certain respect, TV is a scam. It tries to seel you totally worthless junk. Car dealerships are a scam, they try and sell you things you don't need, and types of vehicles not good for us.
Dentists, medicine, pharmacies all are scams, they charge you 24 dollars for a bottle of medicine that costs 5 cents to make, and then they produce more that is worthless in many ways. They will rip you off on trade ins and resales.

The whole world is a scam but most of all the school system is the biggest scam of all. It does not cost 12,000 to send each child to kindergarten when the parent can teach them qmore quickly and better at home. Teaching is a scam, there are so many not only worthless teachers out there, but totally destructive idiots that they need unions to protect them. This proves they are totally worthless.

Example,Psychology is a scam, we don't need them at all total waste of time and money. 50 years ago sexual perverts were called perverts. Now they are called alternate lifestyles. What good is that to a society? The whole Idea is to get your money and give you something you think you need when you don't really need it. And make you work and fork it over.

I asked a friend why he would want to go into child psychiatry. He said the hours are good and the pay is good and there is a need.
All knowledge could be condensed and laced on a school site and all education could be FREE. For spending 100,000 dollars to teach the mother there could be a"expert" web site on all the info she learned that was useful, should take a day to read it all. Didn't change her child. Support should come from Grandma and family it doesnt
everyone splits up and trusts people who want money.

ALL knowledge could be free. All necessary learned aspects could betrade school/

The government could illegalize cartoons, violence and anything destructive and support cameras in every classroom and make it part of their charter, any poor person could listen in on any class.

They dont want to, they want the money. Selfishness will destroy us. There are some people in every specialty that would actually do all the work for free also, just for the advantage of helping others, but this is being prevented by "standards" their work would not be "certified".

The goal in education is not to teach the children, it is to have an excuse to have a high paying low activity job with just enough power to get your average person involved. The goal is to support a bloated fat poorly developed system with teachers who are generally destructive and lazy as it has been through much of our history.

It does NOT cost 12,000 to tech a kindergartner for 9 months. It just doesnt. They shouldnet even be in school at that age they should be at home learning family unity and reading and writing. School should begin at ten and be specialized.

How inefficient to have 30 children and go at the speed of the slowest child? That is retarded. And so they become. Hey, why work when you can BS your way around? The trade system was much better, prospective students would be accepted and trained one on one and only the best were found.

I am not saying there is a better way, I am saying you are getting ripped off handsomely. Yes, kids should be warned to to become slaves for useless degrees, trade school is s rib off also, f you arent careful. Parents should be guiding the kids but they arent
This whole system is the dumbing down of americans...

As barnum once said, there is a sucker born every minute . Where the jobs are needed they wil be found. They need a box boy at wallmart. You have a history degree? That will work fine.



What were your favorite events in college? Many say they had great parties. The games. The dating. The developing of relationships.

This would all happen without college, think about it.

[grabby]

Would you let your 5 year old decide what he wants for breakfast?
Of course not.

We should, in the public best interest remove dumb training for the public syste.

Channels should have classes, all the local classes should be on the tube, and debates and meetings and community knowledge and local politics and farmers grange meetings.
hollywood should be outlawed, The people who destroyed our country walk on red carpets every year, teaching our children hubris is the way to success. No wonder they are unfulfilled and confused.

Peak oil will remove this soon.

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')gree with you 100%...a trade school is a better value.

[jasonraymondson]

When i graduate I will be 18,000 in debt. That is, if I don't get my masters. Otherwise I am looking at 35 - 45,000

I am not worried, that is what the powerball ticket I am holding on to will take care of

[Revi]

College is ok, if you go to the state university, or have some huge scholarship. You have to keep the loans down. I paid off the loan, finally, but every time I paid the check I put down: another payment on the loan that never ends. Then one day it ended. I consider it the best investment I ever made. They can't take it away like other assets if you get sick.

You can still shovel manure with a master's degree. I mean that literally and figuratively. Who knows? I might even get another degree, and really be an educated fool.

[firestarter]

Scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Growing Without Schooling




There was a time when college set one apart from the herd, but that time has long past us by.

Too many people partake of the scam now, therefore, there are too many credentialed folks competing for too few positions. College is another bubble that's going to burst in a big way--- in no small way thanks to globalisation.

Again, read the article I linked above and let it burn in. It will save you a world of money, time, sanity and grief if you act on it.

[jasonraymondson]

Nothing wrong with an education.

Unless you are working on the degrees below

Art Studies
Film Studies
Media Studies
Liesure
Website Development

hundreds of other worthless degrees


Focus on Medical, Science (Chemistry, Biology) Teaching

and you will be okay.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')gree with you 100%...a trade school is a better value.

[max_power29]

College=waste of time

http://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index ... 548.0.html

[Revi]

Education props up and bolsters the absurdities of the modern world. Education as people-shaping, whether it happens in a school or at home, is geared toward making people fit in, shaping them to fit in, whether that means getting into college or getting a good job or just "being successful" in the modern economy. Now, we all want our children to be successful, don't we? Not necessarily. If we agree with Holt and Illich that society is in as bad a shape as they say it is, then becoming a success in such a society may be the worst thing we could wish for our children. In an overly materialistic, tremendously voracious, wasteful, exploitative, consumptive, technophilic, militaristic, competitive society, being a successful, functioning member would only compound the problem.

From Growing Without Education by Aaron Falbel

http://www.aislingmagazine.com/aislingm ... 8/GWE.html

We like the ability to swill corn syrup and bet on fantasy football. Ever see Office Space? We went to college so that we can be in a cubicle and make payments on an SUV. When it all falls in we'll all be out on the street.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I like Art History. But not the greedy bastards running the higher education scam. Seriously though, there is something deeper and more disturbing going on. Think about it, anyone can get a fine education from any public library. You can learn about any subject you want there by just checking out books. But it's all in the rear-view mirror now. Everything is broken.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'M')oney isn't the only measure of success.