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-- SPECIAL REPORT --Air Force refused to fly weapons to Midd

Unread postby roccman » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:06:53

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')- SPECIAL REPORT --
Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater
By Wayne Madsen
Sept. 24, 2007
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WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')MR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')HECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.
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Unread postby threadbear » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:13:43

article about suspicious deaths of soldiers involved:

From Press online:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=24 ... id=3510203
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Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:15:12

Not that this isn't plausible, but how would the Israeli attack on Syria provide sufficient grounding for a U.S. attack on Iran? Was it because of the intel that Israel was providing about their Syrian targets, and was in some way connected with Iran?

This is some scary shit. 8O
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Unread postby Novus » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:32:32

Where is CNN and The New York Times on this incident. Wasn't this at the exact same time Putin had emergency talks with Bush over Iran. The world maybe on the brink of Nuclear War and there is hardly a peep out of anyone. What's that saying about We are safe from war as long as they are talking? Nobody is saying anything anymore. The TSHTF moment maybe unfolding now and is not being reported on by the MSM.
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Unread postby OilIsMastery » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:34:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'W')MR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran.

When it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
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Unread postby OilIsMastery » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:42:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')here is CNN and The New York Times on this incident. Wasn't this at the exact same time Putin had emergency talks with Bush over Iran. The world maybe on the brink of Nuclear War and there is hardly a peep out of anyone. What's that saying about We are safe from war as long as they are talking? Nobody is saying anything anymore. The TSHTF moment maybe unfolding now and is not being reported on by the MSM.

This was covered by Newsweek which is owned by CNN's parent company Time Warner.

It was also covered by Reuters and MSNBC.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906386.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ewsweek Magazine reported Sunday that Vice President Richard Cheney may have considered a plan for Israeli missile strikes against an Iranian nuclear site in an effort to draw a military response from Iran, which could in turn spark a U.S. offensive against targets in the Islamic Republic.

Citing two unnamed sources the magazine called knowledgeable, the magazine quoted David Wurmser, until last month Cheney's Middle East advisor, as having told a small group of people that "Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz - and perhaps other sites - in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out."

According to the report, "The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran."

Newsweek said that it had corroborated Wurmser's remarks, which it said were first published by Washington foreign-policy blogger Steven Clemons.

It quoted a spokeswoman at Cheney's office as saying in response that the vice president "supports the president's policy on Iran."
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Unread postby jboogy » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:51:01

Airmen Barrs and Kissel were killed some weeks before the incident with the nukes ,that's not to say their deaths were unrelated to the incident but it's unlikely. There's links in the barksdale nuke thread at the bottom of this page. Wayne Madsen is not rock solid reporting , he's right about ALOT of stuff that goes unreported in the MSM but it seems he also makes a lot of claims that are unsupported by anything more than confidential sources. Still , this is very scary and for some reason it just rings true. I and many others said in the other thread that mistakes like this with nukes do not happen , the redundancy regarding safety and security with these types of weapons is failure-proof . They had something planned for Iran and someone very high up in the chain of command balked and leaked , this seems to be the likely scenario .Will Cheney try something else or has the pentagon laid down the law?
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Unread postby roccman » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 00:52:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')here is CNN and The New York Times on this incident. Wasn't this at the exact same time Putin had emergency talks with Bush over Iran. The world maybe on the brink of Nuclear War and there is hardly a peep out of anyone. What's that saying about We are safe from war as long as they are talking? Nobody is saying anything anymore. The TSHTF moment maybe unfolding now and is not being reported on by the MSM.

This was covered by Newsweek which is owned by CNN's parent company Time Warner.

It was also covered by Reuters and MSNBC.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906386.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ewsweek Magazine reported Sunday that Vice President Richard Cheney may have considered a plan for Israeli missile strikes against an Iranian nuclear site in an effort to draw a military response from Iran, which could in turn spark a U.S. offensive against targets in the Islamic Republic.

Citing two unnamed sources the magazine called knowledgeable, the magazine quoted David Wurmser, until last month Cheney's Middle East advisor, as having told a small group of people that "Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz - and perhaps other sites - in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out."

According to the report, "The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran."

Newsweek said that it had corroborated Wurmser's remarks, which it said were first published by Washington foreign-policy blogger Steven Clemons.

It quoted a spokeswoman at Cheney's office as saying in response that the vice president "supports the president's policy on Iran."


Wrong again OisM - none of the articles you linked to address the illegal transport of 6 150MT nuclear weapons.

Nor do the articles you linked to addess dissent within the Airforce to thwart this plan to attack Iran with said nuclear weapons.

What you posted is "off the shelf" rhetoric being sprayed by your neocon cabal flaming the drift of war with Iran.
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Re: -- SPECIAL REPORT --Air Force refused to fly weapons to

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 01:13:38

"....the mysterious deaths of the air force members could indicate to a conspiracy to cover up the truth about the Minot Air Base incident."


There is nothing mysterious about a collision between a motorcycle and a van. The van will win every time.
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Unread postby Novus » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 01:26:26

It is this combined with the Daniel Ellsburg comments that really have me thinking TSHTF right now. So many things are circling around us like so many hungry vultures. The police are going of their way to keep us in fear and the MSM is feeding this. The country is in the middle of a financial meltdown made worse by that suicidal rate cut. It is typical pump, cut, and run that until now has only been seen in third world countries. When the Iranian president came to talk peace and the MSM called him a pig and war monger. Major changes have to happen right now to this country or it is all over. This can't wait for 2008.

A military coup is the only thing that can stop this train wreck. The Die as they say has been cast.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 01:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he country is in the middle of a financial meltdown


Why do you think that?

Even though the housing market is in reverse, the stock market is rising to near record highs and GDP growth remains positive and unemployment is low.

If thats a meltdown, what would good times look like?
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Unread postby OilIsMastery » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 03:26:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'n')one of the articles you linked to address the illegal transport of 6 150MT nuclear weapons.

Fair enough. But why is the transportation of nuclear weapons illegal?
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Unread postby OilIsMastery » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 03:28:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A') military coup is the only thing that can stop this train wreck.

God forbid. But at least we know how you really feel about representative democracy.
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Unread postby Olaf » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 10:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '.')..But at least we know how you really feel about representative democracy.


Yeah, it really sucks when the majority (>51%) are idiots who play on ipods and believe CNN/Fox, you can get them to vote for anything you want, as long as you keep feeding them the latest on OJ stimpson.

We need to get back to a Democratic republic and a constitution.

And for God's sake, throw out that stupid brainwashing tool, the one eyed monster, it will ultimately wipe your mind of any thought processes.


What the hell do IPODS have to do with anything? They play music, at least that is what mine does. As far as the big news channels. I largely believe they could give a flying f*ck about whether or not we are actually a well informed citizenry. Propoganda and filler between commercials.

Now go buy something.

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Unread postby Olaf » Thu 27 Sep 2007, 11:12:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'n')one of the articles you linked to address the illegal transport of 6 150MT nuclear weapons.

Fair enough. But why is the transportation of nuclear weapons illegal?


It isn't that it is necessarily illegal, though I do have a recollection that transporting nukes by aircraft like that violates some treaty (I have no source for that, so I'll crumble on it with good counter proof). With that said, the problem is that it was supposedly done by accident. I call total horseshit on that. You don't move nukes like that and NOT know you are moving them. Period. The mainstream surface story seems to be nothing but a superficial cover that most folks will simply buy into and move along.

Looked some stuff up:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctr ... 4540_5.htm

Too much to paste, but covers nuke procedures. Dated to1978, so don't know if current .

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctr ... chap11.pdf
(1996)

D. NUCLEAR WEAPON TRANSPORTATION
1. Transportation of nuclear weapons is an integral part of the STS. The application of
safety rules, technical and operational procedures, and other positive measures minimize
weapon vulnerabilities during transport operations. The process for developing those rules, procedures,
and measures includes the conduct of a TSS by a NWSSG, as outlined in Chapter 5
and Appendix B of this Manual.
2. DoD Directive 4540.5 (reference (a)) provides policies and responsibilities for the transport
of nuclear weapons. It provides guidance for the safe movement of nuclear weapons by
U.S. transport aircraft, barges, and by ground transport carriers (including trucks and DoE-owned
safe-secure trailers).
3. The requirements of the DoD Nuclear Weapon System Safety Program apply to all
nuclear weapon transport carriers, including Prime Nuclear Airlift Force (PNAF) aircraft.
4. Safety rules will be applied to nuclear weapon transport operations through all approved
modes.
a. General safety rules, as outlined in Appendix A, shall apply when nuclear weapons
are transported.
b. Specific safety rules will be developed for each aircraft used for transportation of
nuclear weapons.
c. Specific safety rules for other than air transport carriers (e.g., barge and flat bed
truck) will be incorporated in nuclear weapon system specific safety rules, as determined by the
Military Department.
5. Procedures, personnel, equipment, facilities, and organizations involved in the transport
of nuclear weapons shall be certified before conducting operations.

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