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THE Canadian Dollar Thread (merged)

Unread postby Novus » Thu 04 May 2006, 20:14:01

The Canadian dollar that is.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CTV', ' ')Canadian dollar tops 90 cents US CTV.ca News Staff:
The Canadian dollar topped 90 cents US when it opened in international trading Tuesday -- its highest level in nearly 30 years. For the first time since Nov. 1977, the loonie surpassed the 90-cent barrier and opened at 90.13 cents -- up 0.30 of a cent from Monday's close. The soaring dollar has prompted Canadian travellers to book vacations to the U.S. -- particularly Florida -- in record numbers, travel agents say.

The huge rise in oil and nat gas prices has really bosted the US trade deficit with Canada. In percentage terms it is growing faster then the deficit with China. If Chinese goods become too expensive Americans can import TVs and plastic toys from elsewhere. In terms of oil and natural gas Canada is the US's largest importer and that will NEVER change.
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Re: Dollar hits 28 year high

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 20:24:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he Canadian dollar that is. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CTV', ' ')Canadian dollar tops 90 cents US CTV.ca News Staff: The Canadian dollar topped 90 cents US when it opened in international trading Tuesday -- its highest level in nearly 30 years. For the first time since Nov. 1977, the loonie surpassed the 90-cent barrier and opened at 90.13 cents -- up 0.30 of a cent from Monday's close. The soaring dollar has prompted Canadian travellers to book vacations to the U.S. -- particularly Florida -- in record numbers, travel agents say.
The huge rise in oil and nat gas prices has really bosted the US trade deficit with Canada. In percentage terms it is growing faster then the deficit with China. If Chinese goods become too expensive Americans can import TVs and plastic toys from elsewhere. In terms of oil and natural gas Canada is the US's largest importer and that will NEVER change.

The US dollar is also sinking quick in Australia. Hopefully this is just a small bump which will correct itself. Don't know if the money I have in US banks is ready for the dollar collapse yet. :)
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Re: Dollar hits 28 year high

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 04 May 2006, 20:25:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I')n terms of oil and natural gas Canada is the US's largest importer and that will NEVER change.


Canadian nat gas will be over in 8 years. Never say never
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Re: Dollar hits 28 year high

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Thu 04 May 2006, 21:29:31

Next announcement, US annexes Canada....and Mexico for labor. Life goes on as before....
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Re: Dollar hits 28 year high

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 04 May 2006, 22:02:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'T')he US dollar is also sinking quick in Australia. Hopefully this is just a small bump which will correct itself. Don't know if the money I have in US banks is ready for the dollar collapse yet. :)

The money is ready for a dollar collapse, are you? If you are not living in the US why hold onto US dollars? Also, dollar collapsing is good news for the rest of the world when oil prices are increasing (with oil quoted in USD) as it means the rest of the world is not affected quite so badly.
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Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby ohanian » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 09:30:11

[web]http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=01d636a0-27e2-44a6-8330-444158699dfa[/web]
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 09:34:23

About 2 years ago now, CIBC had a report which "warned" that the loonie could become the world's reserve currency due to its stable democratic government and of course, its vast resources. Sorry, its been so long ago, I won't be able to find the link. Its on this site somewhere.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby FoxV » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 10:16:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'A')bout 2 years ago now, CIBC had a report which "warned" that the loonie could become the world's reserve currency due to its stable democratic government and of course, its vast resources.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry but that's funny even to a Canadian. After what the US has done/is doing to the world with its currency, the concept of a Reserve currency will go the way of the dodo.

besides, Canada's economy is way to small to become a reserve currency. Such a move would throw the loonie through the roof. At least when Britain did it, it was "importing" cheap gold from its colonies all over the world to back up its reserve status.

It would take something really big to give Canada a chance at becoming a reserve currency (perhaps if THAI lives up to its theoretical promises)

but that being said CND is currently at 99.88cents US.

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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby oil4u » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 10:21:54

The Canadian dollar continued its march towards parity with the U.S. greenback on Thursday as it gained more than a cent to hit 99.99 cents US.

The loonie has not been at parity with its U.S. counterpart since November 1976.

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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby Morpheus » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 10:49:48

Ohanian - I was informed yesterday that we are not suppose to post links with no comments or other by Aaron.

to the point - this is a sure sign that the value of the U.S. dollar is dwindling in the eyes of currency traders, investors and countries holding the dollar as a reserve currency although I agree that the loon is not going to be the reserve currency anytime soon.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby zoidberg » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 20:01:07

[url=http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8RPED081.htm]
Canadian dollar at parity with greenback
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I'm heading over the border soon! Keep them American malls stocked the Canucks are coming!
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby Blacksmith » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 20:16:20

Interesting point on lumber, prehaps we should consider an export tax on lumber, and let the y'alls scream about free trade and bring us to the World Trade Organization.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby MOCKBA » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 23:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'I')'m heading over the border soon! Keep them American malls stocked the Canucks are coming!

I guess both the province and Ottawa would have to go by without those sale taxes, eh? And the services of people working in Canadian Tire are no longer required - the province and Ottawa would have to manage without those income taxes and its about time they pay back those unemployment benefits...

It is not even a question what Dodge would do come October 18.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby Euric » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 00:15:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MOCKBA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'I')'m heading over the border soon! Keep them American malls stocked the Canucks are coming!

I guess both the province and Ottawa would have to go by without those sale taxes, eh? And the services of people working in Canadian Tire are no longer required - the province and Ottawa would have to manage without those income taxes and its about time they pay back those unemployment benefits...

It is not even a question what Dodge would do come October 18.


Canada can prevent the loss of tax revenue and sales to local shops simply by taxing all the goods people bring back at the border. If they add enough tax to make a US purchase cost more then buying the same product in Canada that will discourage anyone from going over the border to do their shopping.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby MOCKBA » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 00:33:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Euric', 'C')anada can prevent the loss of tax revenue and sales to local shops simply by taxing all the goods people bring back at the border.

They are already doing that and as a result poor Canadians sometimes pay twice as much considering sales taxes. There is no inter-state commerce and no ebay the way they are in US.

On the other hand Best Buy just reported that they managed to do 3+% same store sales thanks to Canada where it was 16% vs. 1.8% in US. I doubt Canadian Tire could come up with anything as spectacular.

And that was prior to Ben move which according to Business Week made it twice cheaper to go across the border to buy from Best Buy directly.

Now in parlament they consider a law that would open up Canada for US banks hoping to lower borrowing costs to consumers. Very timely move - US banks would sure need that as they come back leaner and meaner. 30% of TSX are banks and we are having world wide banking meltdown. Nope, Canadian financial stability doesn't look like they want you to believe.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby Cabrone » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 06:06:23

At the moment the CAD isn't big enough to be anywhere near a reserve currency but in the decades ahead it may well be.

With large parts of the US predicted to dry up there is going to be some large migration north, by Americans and Mexicans. A largely habitable Canada in 50 years time with a population of 200 million+ would be a force in a screwed up world.

On the other side of the world I believe there will be large scale migration on the Chinese\Russian border. While the Chinese are trying their hardest to destroy their life support systems as quickly as possible just to the north of them are millions of square miles of soon to be habitable siberian tundra. As the Russians are already tetchy about Chinese migration this has potential to be a major flashpoint.

As people scramble around to avoid the worst effects of a rapidly changing environment don't be surprised if the current geopolitical landscape is turned on its head. It's possible that Canada could be one of the biggest winners, albeit in a screwed up world.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby oiless » Sat 22 Sep 2007, 00:15:35

Thinking about it, given that 80+% of our exports go to the USA, and that a high Canadian dollar plays hell with the exporters, it wouldn't surprise me if the BOC moves to push our dollar back down. (It's not as though it's gone up, merely that the US dollar has depreciated.)
Much of Canada's manufacturing is concentrated in central Canada. This is an area that the Conservatives will need to keep happy if they plan to ever be more than a minority government. They can't afford an indefinite loss of jobs there.
The high Canadian dollar will also play hell with oil and natural gas industries, as they are sold in US dollars.
Dodge just needs to out-helicopter Ben.

Of course I could be out to lunch too...
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby Euric » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 21:23:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'T')hinking about it, given that 80+% of our exports go to the USA, and that a high Canadian dollar plays hell with the exporters, it wouldn't surprise me if the BOC moves to push our dollar back down. (It's not as though it's gone up, merely that the US dollar has depreciated.)


What Canada needs to do that would be best for them in the long term is to unhook themselves from the US. It is OK to do business with the US but not 80 %. The US represents <5 % of the world's population. That alone should tell Canada that there is a much bigger market out there that dwarfs that of the US and would make Canada less susceptible to hardship when the US market tanks and can no longer buy Canadian products.

There is much wisdom in the old saying about not putting all of ones eggs in one basket. Canada is doing just that. The sooner they wake up and realize the danger they are in the sooner they can correct this error by diversifying their exports.

Or is it they want to collapse along with the US?
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby zoidberg » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 00:05:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Euric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '
')There is much wisdom in the old saying about not putting all of ones eggs in one basket. Canada is doing just that. The sooner they wake up and realize the danger they are in the sooner they can correct this error by diversifying their exports.

Or is it they want to collapse along with the US?


I think its mostly a matter of the US being a large, wealthy, close, and open economy for Canada to export to. It's like Chavez saying he's going to sell oil to China instead of the US....

...but then China needs to build refineries for Venuzuela's high sulfur crude, someone needs to build/rent tanks...even after that transport costs are still significantly higher.

In the end, I still haven't heard of that materializing. If Chavez, as committed as he is to ending his dependency on US markets, cant make it work, with something as vital as oil, what can Canada do? Way I see it, our being tied to the US is inevitable, tied by immutable geography.

In the end, our exports will diversify if the US collapses. But total volume of trade would be lower I think. Quite frankly, a hard collapse of the US will make worrying about export markets somewhat moot. We'll much more engaged in maintaining political stability in the face of US refugees, violence, a possible second American civil war, or outright state failure.
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Re: Can China carry the Loonie past the Dollar?

Unread postby oiless » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 00:16:44

Considering that many large "Canadian" businesses are owned by non-Canadans, and that our governments, like most governments everywhere, do not take their marching orders from the people, but from the people with money, any change in the way Canada does business is unlikely. They are not going to do what is best for Canada, they are going continue doing what they have been doing.
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