[Morpheus]

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?
Take it all in and let it stew for a bit, come back in a few days and reread it all again, ponder it long and hard and then come to the same realization that I did, or not.....

Go on now, open the door to reality as sleep time is over wether you wish to awaken or not...

[Cloud9]

It has been 40 years since I have been down this rabbit hole.

[Morpheus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')t has been 40 years since I have been down this rabbit hole.

[OilIsMastery]

Hegelian dialectic is defined as being any paragraph in which the author uses "I" over one hundred times.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we compare the relation in which knowledge and the object first stood with the relation they have come to assume in this result, it is found to be just the reverse of what first appeared. The object, which professed to be the essential reality, is now the non-essential element of sense-certainty; for the universal, which the object has come to be, is no longer such as the object essentially was to be for sense-certainty. The certainty is now found to lie in the opposite element, namely in knowledge, which formerly was the non-essential factor. Its truth lies in the object as my (meinem) object, or lies in the "meaning" (Meinen), in what I "mean"; it is, because I know it. Sense-certainty is thus indeed banished from the object, but it is not yet thereby done away with; it is merely forced back into the I. We have still to see what experience reveals regarding its reality in this sense.

The force of its truth thus lies now in the I, in the [154] immediate fact of my seeing, hearing, and so on; the disappearance of the particular Now and Here that we "mean" is prevented by the fact that I keep hold on them. The Now is daytime, because I see it; the Here is a tree for a similar reason. Sense-certainty, however, goes through, in this connection, the same dialectic process as in the former case. I, this I, see the tree, and assert the tree to be the Here; another I, however, sees the house and maintains the Here is not a tree but a house. Both truths have the same authenticity--the immediacy of seeing and the certainty and assurance both have as to their specific way of knowing; but the one certainty disappears in the other.

In all this, what does not disappear is the I qua universal, whose seeing is neither the seeing of this tree nor of this house, but just seeing simpliciter, which is mediated through the negation of this house, etc., and, in being so, is all the same simple and indifferent to what is associated with it, the house, the tree, and so on. I is merely universal, like Now, Here, or This in general. No doubt I "mean" an individual I, but just something as little as I am able to say what I "mean" by Now, Here, so it is impossible in the case of the I too. By saying "this Here", "this Now", "an individual thing", I say all Thises, Heres, Nows, or Individuals. In the same way when I say "I", "this individual I", I say quite generally "all I's", every one is "I", this individual I. When philosophy is requested, by way of putting it to a crucial test--a test which it could not possibly sustain--to "deduce", to "construe", "to find a priori", or however it is put, a so-called this thing, or this particular man,(4) it is reasonable that the person making this demand should say what "this thing", or what "this I", he means: but to say this is quite impossible.

[Morpheus]

This is a bridge yet please do not fear the troll's.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

[greenworm]

first, you have christ.



then you have anti-christ.

There you go.

[Cloud9]

Turn the Hegelian Dialectic in on itself. The premise is that the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth. The hypothesis fails by its own logic.

Competing hypotheses tested by Occam’s razor reveal to the casual observer the sheer silliness of the notion that all hypotheses are equal . A wheel is a perfectly functional conceptual truth. Any attempt to improve it degrades it. Arguments to the contrary are not born out by practical application.

Hegelian theory constitutes a corner stone of a secular religion, socialism. As in all religions, it becomes necessary for the true believers to suspend reason as they go about constructing their religious paradigms. Socialists have to delude themselves into believing that every culture is equal and every idea is equal and that these equals compete with each other in the dialectic. This self delusion requires a leap of faith that is by its very nature irrational. The Socialists’ struggle for a utopia has in every instance produced a dystopia.

Any reasoning person knows that mankind is made up of billions of individuals with trillions of differences. Socialism closes its eyes to that fact. The only place where all our differences are moot is in the cemetery. I suspect that is why socialism so readily embraces genocide. After all, was it not the socialists who said: “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet?”

[PenultimateManStanding]

Thesis: if it doesn't get all over the place, it doesn't belong in your face

Antithesis: That's a stupid Carl's Jr advertisement

Synthesis: They serve sweet pickles, don't go there.

[Cloud9]

Yes, I am an American. I was a democrat until Janet Reno made war on gun owners and killed all those kids in Waco. I am a conservative. I have been a master mason for over 25 years. I am a strict constructionalist when it comes to the Constitution and I very much like John Locke’s ideas.

Socialism and public welfare are issues we all need to address. I am reminded of President Johnson’s war on poverty. His good intention was to help the poor young woman who was trying to raise her children alone. He and his congress created a program to aid dependent children, a noble idea. The government wrote a check to mothers with dependant children. The more dependent children she had, the larger the check. Should the father show up and attempt to take care of his family, the check stopped. The unintended consequence: We wreaked the inner city homes when we hired single young women to head up households and have children.

To quote the great philosopher Chris Rock: “If you call your grandma mom and you call your mom Pam, you’re going to jail.”

Our good intentions destroyed the families of the inner cities. Those same programs are now wreaking the suburbs.

In 1965 we had two pregnant teenage mothers at my high school. Today, we run a daycare center at that same high school for the children to teenage moms.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', ' ') See photo Greenworm's post then you have anti-christ.

[Morpheus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'Y')es, I am an American. I was a democrat until Janet Reno made war on gun owners and killed all those kids in Waco. I am a conservative. I have been a master mason for over 25 years. I am a strict constructionalist when it comes to the Constitution and I very much like John Locke’s ideas.

Socialism and public welfare are issues we all need to address. I am reminded of President Johnson’s war on poverty. His good intention was to help the poor young woman who was trying to raise her children alone. He and his congress created a program to aid dependent children, a noble idea. The government wrote a check to mothers with dependant children. The more dependent children she had, the larger the check. Should the father show up and attempt to take care of his family, the check stopped. The unintended consequence: We wreaked the inner city homes when we hired single young women to head up households and have children.

To quote the great philosopher Chris Rock: “If you call your grandma mom and you call your mom Pam, you’re going to jail.”

Our good intentions destroyed the families of the inner cities. Those same programs are now wreaking the suburbs.

In 1965 we had two pregnant teenage mothers at my high school. Today, we run a daycare center at that same high school for the children to teenage moms.

[Cloud9]

Golem neat graphics, interesting diagrams, great theories, I am sure the quigi board crowd are most intrigued.

[Cloud9]

My point entirely G, life is not a board game. Are we to slip back off into the dark ages where our best minds are consumed with esoteric arguments about how many angels will fit on the head of a pin? I am a mason not because we have the cup of Christ hidden in a cupboard somewhere but because I observed that fellow masons would go get their brothers when they were down and in trouble. Having rescued them, they would not try to build their careers off the mistakes of their fellow officers.

I have met the devil. I have sat in the same room with him for hours. I have gotten into his mind. Sociopath doesn’t even come close to covering it. He has an easy smile and a friendly face. He looks just like you and me. His name at one time was Herbert Lee Evans. He likes to murder and rape little girls. He crushes their sculls with a tire iron because he does not like to hear them bitch while he has his way with them. His words not mine. He comes back and visits the bodies to gloat over his trophies. That’s how we caught him.

I carry a gun because the devil looks like me and you and I have known him to kill a man for a pack of cigarettes. Pray if you wish, but to men like Evans, you and me, we are just prey. Trust in your unseen forces if you wish. I put my faith in my pistol. I have yet to see a prayer or incantation that will stop 230 grain bullet.

[Cloud9]

Ghandi did not go up against Hitler.

[Cloud9]

Gandhi was a great man. Martin Luther King was a great man. Similar tactics. Both men understood that to prevail they had to awaken the conscience of decent men and women. Neither man would have made it a month in Hitler’s Germany. Guys like Hitler are not be dissuaded by decency. They see it as weakness. I’m not in law enforcement anymore, but I never forgot the monsters I met there.

[perdition79]

Individualism above collectivism? I'm on board with that. Reading about the Hegelian Dialectic was like reading "Atlas Shrugged" again.

[Cloud9]

No one knows it all, we all are in need of a history lessons. Comparing the Nazi Empire to the British Empire is a bit of a stretch. The British may very well have addicted millions of Chinese to opium to support the tea trade and yes they may have imported millions of slaves into the Americas to make a profit, but no where in the British Empire is there an Auschwitz. Hitler would have killed the whole of dark skinned India and then sat down for breakfast

[Ayoob]

So if I work in medicine, then the government is entitled to my labor?

Fuck that. I'm not your slave just because I know how to do something useful.

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ust be why he gets so much media coverage